
from TF1 news 20h00 CET this evening
“many more bodies” sighted but not yet retrieved..
http://videos.tf1.fr/jt-20h/le-20-heures-du-8-juin-2009-4436918.html
..the flight regime at the moment of the strike is obviously a factor there ..at FL350 & M0.8 the margin for error isn’t great. Having said that, France Info are quoting the BEA in saying that weather conditions were not out of the ordinary at the time, indeed on another forum there is meteorological data to suggest that there was no lightning within 150 km of AF447..
.. the idea that the airframe (or any airframe) is totally immune to a lightning strike is a ridiculous. It is not. I’ve seen the damage a lightning strike can do first-hand at LGW on an IT A320. Indeed the possibility of a lightning strike was one of the first causes speculated on during the very first AF news conference given by their chief exec…Faraday cage or not..a bolt of ‘positive’ lightning could bring down an airliner
Hi Brian
..thanks for bumping this ..wilco
Hi Brian
..thanks for bumping this ..wilco
FWIW a spokesman from Météo-France, the French national meteorological service has just given a statement on national radio stating that the storm systems encountered by AF 447 ” were not exceptional “.
..Hi Peter,
yes, it would have been a while ago, so your info is obviously more up-to-date..
Having said that the airfield memorial alone is worth a lengthy trip – must be the finest 8th AF FG memorial in the country…
So, it would seem Wick’s total score should really be reduced by 4 on this evidence at least……:confused:
..I don’t think you’re wrong,..but like Hartmann’s ridiculous 352, can’t see it happening! Andy probably already said it, but JG 2 appear to have overclaimed more than most…
Thanks everyone even if one of us is leaping before looking;):)
There appears to be no contact info for Ken Wells but i have sent a e-mail to the school with it being a small village the headmaster may know Mr Wells a fairly long shot i know but worth the try;)Keep the coments rolling in any info however small will be followed to conclusion:)
..if its of any interest, Ken Wells lives in the village, his details were posted up in the local shop last time I was there. I went and knocked on his front door hoping to get a copy of “..Strafers” – none left..
RE to FalkeEins‘s last post:
a dozen news sites have got it wrong then
..no surprise there then ..how many have fluent French speakers on tap…beginning to understand board policy on these types of events…my quotes were from the AF chairman’s news conf..
..Albacore..Swordfish ??!!
Wick downed at least one Mureaux 115 (IIRC) during the French campaign – according to his own account, he was so “ashamed” of shooting down this type that he never filed claims..
the pilot reported an electrical issue coupled with heavy or severe (depending on what source you read) turbulence.
What ever has happened it happened so quick, the crew had no chance of calling a mayday or any sort of call out.
….pilot didn’t report anything, or at least not mentioned in the news conference. AF chairman specifically mentioned possible lightning strike in a storm. The transmissions received were automated …
..at their news conference at CDG
Pierre Henri Gourgeon AF chairman said;
” nous sommes sans doute en face d’une catastrophe aérienne probable ..”
” l’appareil ..a pu avoir été foudroyé ..” – may have been struck by lightning after flying through a large zone of turbulence/storm
“une situation inattendue s’est produite à bord de l’avion” – there was an on-board emergency – maintenance “signals” were transmitted
the a/c was relatively new, early 2005
French president going to CDG at 17h00
Air France speculate on the loss of their A330
..at their news conference at CDG
if anyone is still interested, here’s my translation of Wick’s subsequent recounting of the day’s events ..just published in Erik Mombeek’s new history of JG 2…
“ It is difficult to describe exactly what happened during the afternoon of 6 November. Perhaps I wasn’t on top form or my nerves let me down? After downing my second English victim I had one thought uppermost in my mind and that was to return home. I had enough fuel for several more minutes yet but I’d had enough for one day. In any case we were almost at the point where we’d have to fly home anyway. As luck would have it, just as we had formed up and swept into a turn that would take us home, I saw three Spitfires below us. They were apparently returning from a patrol over the sea. I spotted them first – before they’d seen us. We fell on them like a flash and the first one went down. Nothing for it but to clench my teeth and get into a position on the tail of a second who also went down after several rapid bursts of fire. There was still one left. By now my cannon were out of rounds so I had closed on this one firing from my machine guns only. A plume of white smoke appeared in an instant, an indicator that his engine was about to catch fire. I got the impression that I must have hit the pilot since he appeared to lose control – flying erratic manoeuvres for brief seconds – before levelling out. I gave him another burst. The Spitfire then tipped over one wing and plunged down into the sea. By now it really was time to high tail it home. Arriving back over the field I thought it prudent to avoid five passes waggling my wings since I was so low on fuel that the engine could have seized at any time. Climbing down from the cockpit I was greeted by my comrades with much hugging and back-slapping..”
Victory claims 6 November 1940
Lt. Siegfried Schnell 4./JG 2 Hurricane E. of Southampton 13h40 19th
Oblt. Erich Leie Stab/JG 2 Hurricane Southampton 15h35 6th
Major Helmut Wick Stab/JG 2 Hurricane Southampton 15h35 48th
Oblt. Erich Leie Stab/JG 2 Hurricane Southampton 15h37 7th
Major Helmut Wick Stab/JG 2 Hurricane Southampton 15h37 49th
Major Helmut Wick Stab/JG 2 Spitfire E. of the Isle of Wight 15h45 50th
Major Helmut Wick Stab/JG 2 Spitfire E. of the Isle of Wight 15h46 51st
Major Helmut Wick Stab/JG 2 Spitfire E. of the Isle of Wight 15h48 52nd
Oblt. Hans Hahn Stab III./JG 2 Hurricane E. of Southampton 15h55 22nd