Order was always going to be between 3-6 subs dunderhead. Was probably cut to 3 due to Pak budget, not out of some respect for the mighty Bhrarat. Sorry to shatter any illusions of greatness, but India needs the west much more then the west needs India when it comes to military tech.

Without outside help no “indigenous” project would have got off the ground.

Also, you mention “future” potential orders. In teh recent past Pakistan has actually signed and purchased the following from France.

NAVY
3 Mine Hunters
3 Agosta Subs
Undisclosed Exocets
Upgradto Atalntics (5 aircraft)
Mistral MAPADS (300 units)

ARMY
30 Eucerial Helicopters
Optics for Al Khalid

Air Force
Mirage 3/5 ROSE upgrade Programe (80 aircraft)
Avionics for F-7 and JF-17

In addition to this future prgrammes France may well picth for include
MICA for JF-17, Marlin for Pak Navy, Tiger for Pak Army

It may actually seem although India often promises the world, Pak is a quietly loyal customer.

Additionally it would not go down very well in the muslim world (think massive petro dollars) when Pakistan is blocked from getting arms to Indias benefit. Like it or not, thsi equation is certainly considered when the French make decisions on who to sell to.

If I’m not mistaken, the previous PAF Air Chief and Navy Chief were awarded France’s highest civil award “Legion of Honour” mainly due to defence co-operation and developments.

Uh oh. Paks AEW & C in trouble?

So much for PAF’s quest for an advanced Early Warning capability. With India’s stature in the world community and its massive influence on world markets, the Swedes will bow down to Indian pressure. PAF knew this all along, and thats why they were trying out the Y-8 a few days ago, just in case India decides to bring this up with the swedes.

Its ‘bye bye Erieye’ for PAF. (that rhymed eh?)

Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:19:00 AM

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1053486

RSS wants Ericsson’s expulsion for deal with Pakistan

NEW DELHI: The RSS has sought immediate expulsion of Ericsson from India in the wake of the Swedish telecom major’s reported deal with Pakistan to supply
sophisticated equipment for military use.

“Its sale to Pakistan of equipment that can be used while attacking India shows the company’s insenstive disregard of India. For this, Ericsson company should be asked to
pack its bags and leave India,” RSS mouthpiece Panchjanya said in an editorial in its latest issue.

It cited media reports which said Swedish aircraft major SAAB and Ericsson combine have signed a 1.15-billion-dollar deal with Pakistan to supply it with airborne early-warning systems.

“Pakistan has been trying for the past 25 years to buy these highly sophisticated devices, but has been unsucessful,” the RSS organ claimed. It called this deal a security concern for India.

It said that the Swedish telecom company should either cancel the deal or end its business in India.

“Ericsson’s agreement with Pakistan, which does not lie in India’s interest, does not make the company eligible to stay (any more) in India,” it said.

The RSS weekly also described as “saddening” the Indian government’s “silence” on the deal.

No Ericsson official was available for comment.

clipping a strategypage article is just like me posting a member’s response from this forum at another forum , Heck i’d give wikipedia more credibility.

Thanks for saving me the time. 😉

most probably a genuine error. Maybe filenames mixed up.

No it’s not, when you consider that there are other products that they could export. The JF-17 isn’t the only aircraft they can export.

Fighters….

Yeah J-7MG also.

That puts more money in the bank and again frees up more of Chengdu to undertake sensible projects like further J-10 iterations and a J-XX design.

Nah, i don’t think money is any issue here for Chengdu, especially when you know it is being funded 50-59% by Pakistan.

Ideally, what you’d do is rid yourself of the JF-17, have Chengdu pool those resources and the resources previously occupied by whatever J-7 they’re coming up with this week into developing the J-XX,

What resources are they gonna use from the J-7 to make the J-XX??? Can a proper chinese radar fit into its nose without getting overheated ??

Plawolf made an excellent point in saying that the JF-17 platform was used also as a learning platform for more advanced projects (J-10 etc.). SOC i am sure they have used resources from the FC-1 project (DSI, KLJ-whateva, etc.) which will certainly come very handy with other projects they have in mind. I recall an article in chinese which was posted here which mentioned a lot of things which they had tried and succeeded for the first time while developing this fighter. Of course there was some exaggeration too i assume (F-22 raptor is the only plane…..even F-16E/F has to be upgraded for this feature bla bla).

The PLAAF is a huge AF. Those vintage J-7’s atleast have to be replaced in time. The JF-17 as a simple platform is very suitable to do exactly that. It will replace the J-7 atleast with something with better range, payload, avionics etc. while keeping costs down.

The question isn’t whether or not Pakistan needs the JF-17 (that’s a whole different debate), it’s whether or not China has any need for it as either a home use or export product. I think both answers are no.

You are conflicting with your own argument. If you want to bring up the ‘export product’ factor, it is hard to leave the Pak context with regards to the FC-1/JF-17.

If we kept our activity within the realm of “war on terrorism” insofar as going after supporters and harborers as well as the groups themselves, Pakistan would have been a far more legitimate target than Iraq. Or have you never heard of Waziristan?

Just found out you were sharing your point of view as an ‘American’. It doesn’t matter then.