Umm i might not understand it too well, but since CVF is a STOVL carrier, why shouldn’t the second one be able to use the F35 B???? all you need is a flat deck with a skijump, no???
So if i use my small brain right this means there will be 2 carriers, but with only 1 airwing? That’s how france worked in the past.
That what you get with buying bigger then you can handle 😀
That’s pretty much how I read the article: the ships have been ordered already and the main cost is in the JSF.
Ok I know I will get harpooned here but just what is the value of being able to do 50mph. If your chasing a fast boat you launch your helicopter. Whats the ships endurance at 50mph, 6-800 miles. Whats your engine, pumpjet, hull life going to be if you use it at that speed all the time and if you don’t whats the point? In the end its an expensive ship with little in the way of armament that might go fast if its endurance allows it. If its got a short enough distance to go that it can go at best speed just how much faster is it going to arrive there then an burke. A day, a few hours? Am now hiding under desk!
Same reasons you’ld prefer a V-22 over a helicopter, or a Cat transport over a regular transport: greater stand-off distance possible relative to target area, given certain time to target.
Thanks for the post though it’s an intresting read. Random question a member since 2006 and only 56 posts??
While it is true that quantity has a quality of its own, I’ld prefer quality over quantity: so long as those 56 posts were good ones (i.e. unlike this post of mine ;-), I’m happy.
:p
But I doubt very much that they’re built to commercial shipbuilding standards. They were built in warship yards, & cost warship prices. If commercial standards have been applied, I expect they’re in the areas where they have moved ahead of traditional warship standards, a trend now generally recognised by navies, & leading to them working with classification societies to adapt elements of current commercial practice to warship design.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/kongo.htm#
So if you were going to war would you rather have 1 Cavour or 2 BPE’s? I don’t like these ships not built to full war standards it’s risky if you ask me. Front line ships have to be built safely. When building navies now nobody thinks of what will happen if some of our ships get sunk. There is no spare capacity.
Look at the RN. Take a Falklands take 2, could the royal navy lose that many ships and still fight i doubt it. We need some spare capacity. this is something that seems to have been forgotten.
FYI, the JMSDF Kongo and Atago classes are built to mercantile/commercial rather than military standards… Likewise HMS Ocean IIRC. Many frigates are too (e.g. Meko) and some landing ships are (e.g. Italian MM San Giorgio class).
i wonder what country will ever dare to attack any aircraft carrier force of the U.S. Navy…..knowing the consequences to follow….would be a nightmare…..:rolleyes::)
KLM boy
Quite possibly, though Bay class is smaller!
RFA Argus
Displacement: 28,030 tonnes
Length: 175.1 metres (574 ft 6 in)
Beam: 30.4 metres (99 ft 9 in)
Draught: 8.1 metres (26 ft 7 in)
Speed: 18 knots (33 km/h)
Range: 20,000nm at 15 knots
Bay class
Displacement: 16,160 t (15,905 long tons) full load
Length: 176 m (577 ft 5 in)
Beam: 26.4 m (86 ft 7 in)
Draught: 5.8 m (19 ft 0 in)
Speed: 18 knots (33 km/h)
Range: 8,000 nmi (15,000 km) at 15 kn (17 mph; 28 km/h)
See also Joint Casualty Treatment Ship:
In May 2005 it was reported that Swan Hunter had submitted a proposal to the MOD to convert and complete RFA Lyme Bay in to a Joint Casualty Treatment Ship (JCTS) configuration at cost of £50 million. The proposal would allow the MOD to have a JCTS in service as early as 2008, rather than currently projected 2012, and at much lower cost than a dedicated new build vessel.
Babcock Rosyth apparently subsequently submitted a rival proposal. The MOD is believed to be seriously considering the proposals and is reviewing its JCTS requirements and budget, but it’s uncertain whether a contract award is actually imminent.
Present plans call for one additional 100-bed hospital module with 4 surgical teams to be kept ready for use in a PCRS STUFT in the event of a conflict.
The full medical equipment set for RFA Argus is presented in RN MECCA form I 1 248-83 (Medical Equipment Set, RFA ARGUS in a PCRS Role).
Onboard hospital facilities of HrMs Rotterdam include two fully equipped operating rooms, ten intensive-care beds, X-ray facilities, treatment rooms, and an emergency sick bay able to handle 100 casualties. She also has helicopter facilities and a dock.
http://www.amiinter.com/samples/netherlands/NL3301.html
So the U-2 was really an F-104…
You’re catching on quickly 😉
X-31 has more to the British EAP technology demonstrator, which flew in 1986, than to Eurofighter Typhoon. Except for the tail. The X-31 first rolled out and flew in 1990.
Then again, it also looks like Rafale … and Gripen.
Nope. France will sell the unfinished third hull. Whether Russia will build more – wait and see
Lots of unfinished hulls going back and forth … new trend in naval ship building 😉
It would be interesting to see what its like downstairs (I didn’t think it quite right to say the naval ‘below’) Perhaps a full hanger so they can practice manouvering in tight spaces ?
A simulated hangar space (with a couple of aircraft, like on deck) plus class rooms I would think.
They also have a exact land based replica of nuclear submarine. It’s done to train the crew with getting used to the surroundings in day-to-day operations and also to test out the electronics. Nothing different with this installation, it’s suppose to be a one to one replica of the carrier. I’m assuming they should be on the inside too. This installation was referred to as the “integrated testing platform” by the local newspaper.
Speaking of which, it also would make sense for at least the first generation of Chinese carriers to adopt the same island. Shouldn’t just be for Varyag.
Are there (shared?) land-based replica’s for the 052B/C 051C en 054/A ?
TI sights for T-90 as well. This will end in a white elephant. If the ship will be sent were it belongs – Pacific or North fleet it will be ruined in 10 years at the most. If it will stay in Black or Baltic Sea – what’s the use of it? launch major assault against Ukraine, Georgia or Lithuania? They are crazy…
It says no where that the ship is to be built in France IIRC, which implies it could be built in Russia. Perhaps the main purpose is not so much to acquire such a ship, but to get a shipbuilder in Russia up and running and capable (oncemore?) of building ships of this type and size. Considering Moskva, Kiev and Kuznetsov class ships were all built at Nikolayev, Ukraine.
Elisee gives green light to purchase of BPC by Russia
google translation
Opening negotiations for a potential sale is not quite the same as approval for an actual sale. We’ll have to see where this goes. Still, given that the French were among the first engage in miltech deals with russia (TI sights for BMP3, IIRC), an interesting development.

Every Marine is a rifleman and riflemen come first. It’s my contention that LHDs will be too busy lifting gear, ammo, food, fuel and medevac to Marines deployed inland. The LHDs cannot afford to lose the deck space for F-35 operations when H-53s and Frogs are keeping the supplies flowing. Instead, F-35Bs will deploy directly to a FOL from a friendly (far away) land base using aerial refueling (if the Joint Air Operations Commander sees a need for them).
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/seabase.htm#
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/uswpns/navy/amphibiousassault/seabase.html