I also think too many are hung up on what Japan did 70 years ago as reason for Japan not to be a full player on the world stage. Modern Japan is nothing like Imperial Japan. Nobody thinks Japan is planning to invade anyone else now or in the next thirty years or more, so what’s the problem with them possessing aviation capable ships?
If it is nothing like it, then they should not have a problem apologizing and compensating victims, like the Germans did.
The design is pretty cool and modern, though I fell absence of a long range land attack cruise missile. With such large displacement the ship should have place for atleast 24 Nirbhay missile. I expect it will be included her weapon package after the missile is ready. But again Indians!! Delay… delay and delay… hail the great Indian Babus….. :diablo:
There are five modern ships (3 P-17 & 2 P-15A) launched at MDL alone but none of them have been inducted into the Navy. Quite sad story.
Isn’t this an image of projected P15B rather than P15A




Steam Catapults could be ordered either from the UK (though the company hasnt built them since the 60’s) or the US. It would probably be possible to buy the designs for the UK steam catapults or one of the older US steam catapults.
Where did the french get theirs for CdG?
Indians are inherantly paranoid when dealing with Americans and for good reason too.
I wasn’t referring to Indians but to people on the Internet…
Just a case of some journalist wanting to come up with a story.
Personally I’d welcome a partenership with the Chinese where we help them develop a new modern CV hull and they build it for us with western engines, sensors and systems and we complete it in Brazil with localy created SICOMTA Combat Management System. Cheap and efective!
Rgds
Hammer
No interest in the Indian new carrier (designed with a lot of Italian help and many western systems)?
From Defesa.br on Rafale on Sao Paolo.
http://www.defesabr.com/MB/mb_rafale.htm
Machine translation Portugese > English
http://nl.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defesabr.com%2FMB%2Fmb_rafale.htm&lp=pt_en&btnTrUrl=Vertalen
The three models of the Rafale can be understood by these capacities:
F1 = Air combat;
F2 = F1 + Air-to-ground Attack; e
F3 = F2 + Naval Attack, Recognition and Nuclear Attack.
The Rafale F3 could only be considered as Multi-functional, with aptitudes for Air combat, Air-to-ground Attack, Naval Attack, Recognition and Nuclear Attack.
One knows that the Nuclear NAe Charles de Gaulle will be able to operate a maximum of 40 aircraft Rafale M – F1, F2 and F3.
Thats ironic! South Korea beat Germany selling what is in effect a German submarine.
Only IF the south koreans have not installed (domestic) equipment in their boats that is different from what’s installed in the German boats.
Then there is this bit.
Devil In The Details? Bogey In The Indian Navy’s P-8I Aircraft Contract
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/09/exclusive-devil-in-details-bogey-in-p.html
Malicious code: http://www.answers.com/topic/malicious-code
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Big deal over nothing. Shows the paranoid and conspiracy theorists rule the internet.
Brazil just ordered Rafales for the air force …
Because the French have them?
Well, if the french have then …:diablo:
Does anyone know why the Akula II is so large compared to other nuclear submarines? Even the new Royal Navy astute class or Virgina class aren’t over 10,000 tonnes and the older trafalgar and los angeles class are only about half the tonnage at roughly 6,000 tonnes.
As with other Russian submarines, Akula II features a double-hulled configuration, comprising an inner pressure hull and an outer hydrodynamic hull. The stand-off distance between the outer and inner hulls can be considerable. This provides significant reserve buoyancy, and improved survivability against conventional torpedoes. On the Oscars, for example, there is a 3.5m separation between the inner and outer hulls i.e. diameter outer hull is 7m wider than that of inner hull. Compared to a single hull design, displacement is greater therefore.
What would be the advantage of stripping the island? Is it easier to install equipment? If you removed the whole island would this leave you with a big hole maybe to install heavy machinery ie engines etc? Or does the Varag actually need this big an island, could they be going to rip this one off and put a smaller prefabricated island on there. This would maybe be seen as easier than trying to fit the old one with all the necessary equipment.
Maybe 1 day we will know if this ship is coming into service but not for a few years yet anyway.
There are portions which are no longer needed and which may be removed to save weight topside. Perhaps new sections will be fitted in place. Through the island is the worst way to get to engine rooms, if possible at all to get there via this route. There is no reason to remove the entire island (why bother if it is not necessary), particularly not to save space.
You might look at the Gorshkov-Vikramaditya transformation as an example of modification of island/superstructure on a carrier.
There’s really some areas where Brazil and India could cooperate. SSNs, carrier, corvettes, fighter/interceptor etc.
Well a number of people have been quick to jump on the Hyuuga class and name it an aircraft carrier, others (including me) have said no it isn’t but the next class might be. My own guess is that this will be Fitted For But Not With fixed wing aircraft at least initially.
Interesting idea making it an oiler as well, one would assume that it there would be a need to re-roll it? I’d be interested to see some concept art.
Note that the Spanish ‘sea control ship’ Principe d’Asturias has a RAS-station from which is can refuel escorting vessels on its starboard side, just behind the large and distinctive round dome of the aircraft control radar, the J-band ITT SPN-35A. Spain’s Juan Carlos I Landing Helicopter Dock a.k.a. Strategic Projection Ship has a RAS-station at a similar location near the aft starboard end of the island. Thailand’s Chakri Naruebet Offshore Patrol Helicopter Carrier also has a RAS-rig over starboard, but it’s just behind the bridge.