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Unless “an additona”l order does not translate to more number , can you explain your POV ?

“It took some time to deal with the problems. After additional work and testing were carried out, there were no complaints with regard to the frigate. Moreover, talks are being held for an additional order of this type of combat vessel,” Isaikin said.

The next line : “The official said most of the problems were related to advanced weaponry and electronics installed on the frigates to meet the requirements of the Indian navy.” You cannot have these problems and test ships that have not been built yet, or that are still building. Therefor, this remark is in relation to integration problems that occurred with the first batch of three ships (Talwar and het sisters). So, the additional order relates to the second batch now under construction.

Russia may build more Krivak class frigates for India

MOSCOW, February 4 (RIA Novosti) – Russia and India are negotiating a new contract on the delivery of additional Project 11356 frigates for the Indian navy, the head of Russia’s arms exporter said on Wednesday.

The talks are being held despite disruptions in the construction of the ships.

Russia is building three Project 11356 Krivak IV-class guided missile frigates for the Indian navy at the Yantar shipyard in Russia’s Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad under a $1.6 billion contract signed in July, 2006.

“The contract deadlines are very tough and there were indeed some disruptions in the construction,” Rosoboronexport’s general director Anatoly Isaikin said in an interview with Nezavisimaya Gazeta.

“It took some time to deal with the problems. After additional work and testing were carried out, there were no complaints with regard to the frigate. Moreover, talks are being held for an additional order of this type of combat vessel,” Isaikin said.

The official said most of the problems were related to advanced weaponry and electronics installed on the frigates to meet the requirements of the Indian navy.

A delegation of Indian military officials, led by India’s deputy chief of the naval staff, Vice Adm. Raman P Suthan, visited the Yantar shipyard in October last year and said it was satisfied with the pace and the quality of the construction.

Russia previously built three Krivak-class frigates – INS Talwar, INS Trishul and INS Tabar – for India, and delivered them all in late 2004.

The final vessel of the current batch is due to be delivered to India by 2011-12. All of the frigates will be armed with eight BrahMos supersonic anti-ship cruise missile systems and not the Club-N/3M54TE missile system, which was installed on previous frigates.

The Krivak-class frigate has deadweight of 4,000 metric tons and a speed of 30 knots, and is capable of accomplishing a wide range of maritime missions, primarily hunting down and destroying large surface ships and submarines.

“In terms of firepower it [the Krivak IV class frigate] has no rivals in the world in its class,” Isaikin said.

Very misleading article title: they are simply renegotiating the deal for the second 3 Talwar ships (not any further ships)

With all due respect I suggest you do some homework: For all the conflicts since the end of WWII (Korea, Vietnam, Middle-East, Indian subcontinent etc.) count the total number of US made aircraft shot down by Soviet/Russians made weapons. Then compare it with the total number of Soviet/Russian made aircraft shot down by US made weaponry.

…and then rethink about the claim you made.

That can be a very deceiving statistic. It may just mean be that more US made aircraft were hurled at Soviet/Russian weapons than vice versa > More opportunities to get shot. Which is not a totally unreasonable assumption as the US approach since WW2 has been to gain air superiority and strike by air, before putting in troops on the ground – if at all. Or possibly due to weak or absent of opposing air force (maily losses to ground fire/SAMs?).

It was a cheap small-sized vessel designed in the late 60s / early 70’s, for ASW duties to protect the French SSBN while leaving their port. 17 were built and 10 a still in service

They eventually proved very useful as high seas patrol vessels to monitor the French overseas territories and the 10 remaining are to be re-equipped as OPV despite being out of age…

Here’s a Wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Estienne_d%27Orves_class

SOuth Africa also used three, (some of?) which if later off-loaded to Argentina, which still operates them (used them in Falklands/Malvinas was too IIRC).

If, its a counter to the Bruke Class. Its primary mission wouldn’t be ASW…:confused:

Udaloy class from conception was ASW oriented, complemented by Sovremenny’s in AShW role. Adm Chabanenko is a modified Udaloy (Udaloy II): it has the twin 130mm of the Sovremenny in place of 2 single 100mm and it has the same antiship missiles as Sovremenny, rather than the ASW-missile (with secondary antiship capability) missiles that the Udaloys originally carry. So, Chabanenko is an ASW-design turned multirole.

If a 533mm tube can be retrofitted to fire 650mm weapons, the same can be done to a 650mm tube. I would assume this is some kind of modification to fire a larger diameter weapon.

Never heard of anything like this before. You’ld essentially would have to replace the entire tube with a bigger one.

Here’s a *superb* video of Chabanenko on exercise which was posted on another forum:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3e8_1230875692

You’ll see basically every single weapons system onboard in action, with the exception of the Klinok SAM and the Udav rocket launcher. AK-130, Vodopad (awesome sight, that one!), decoy rockets, Kashtan… the lot 😀 I believe sferrin was looking for footage of Sunburn launches, well look no further!

Brilliant video. Magnificient ships, the Udaloys, in both I & II versions. Hope something along the lines of a much more modern III may oneday emerge.