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October 28, 2012 at 11:01 am in reply to: Navies news from around the world -IV #2010009

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You have to keep in mind though that with non-US navies, the Perry’s are typically the (second) largest ships in the fleet (except for LPD/H etc), whereas in the USN they are/were the small-end of the surface combat/escort ships. In other words, while non-US navies seek a new high end capability, the USN seeks a new low-end capability (it has Burkes and will get Zumwalts as high end). For the USN there is no need for a more capable PF. It is a force multiplier that will allow USN to put the high end unites where they are needed most and/or keep them out of situations where such high-end units are actually ‘over-kill’ i.e. not cost-effective. Why do you think USCG cutters can (and do) function integrally with USN fleet units?

October 27, 2012 at 9:50 am in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2010077

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Cheers!

USS Ranger (CV 61) and USS Long Beach (CGN 9) – May 1987

October 27, 2012 at 9:45 am in reply to: Russian Navy Thread #2010079

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I am ok with that, single-arm Shtil is unacceptable, if it is the only SAM on the ship. I was under the impression however that the keel-laying plate showed a stretched UKSK installation area.
Hoping for A-190 as well.

Next ship “Admiral Essen” laid at 8 July 2011

October 27, 2012 at 8:51 am in reply to: Navies news from around the world -IV #2010085

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France Navy News:

DCNS Innovates with a New Weapon System for Submarines: Anti-Aircraft Defense

Submarines currently have no option but to run away when faced with torpedoes launched by helicopters and maritime patrol aircraft. Thanks to new defense systems jointly developed by DCNS and MBDA, however, they will be able to force attacking aircraft to change their tactics and to maintain a stand-off distance.

What’s so new about this mast mounted retractable missile launcher?

German testfird IDAS (Interactive Defence and Attack System for Submarines) missile from a sub in 2008. This system is the world’s first missile to give submarines the capability to engage air threats, and the first tube-launched missile that does not emerge in a capsule, but is fired directly from the torpedo tubes. The IDAS missile is about the same size as the ubiquitous AIM-9L Sidewinder from Raytheon (built under license by Diehl BGT Defence) and Diehl’s IRIS-T missile. I.e. substantially bigger than Mistral
http://www.tkms.ca/news/new-missile-system-for-submarines
http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx?plckBlogId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%253a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%253ad680d51a-98dd-4bca-bc02-b635e7457fe1

Also, Germany has Muraena Mast-Mounted Gun System for Submarines from HDW (2010). The HDW Muraena is a mast-mounted automatic gun system featuring a Mauser RMK 30mm cannon. It can fire from periscope depth, and the gun itself is accommodated within the submarine superstructure. Muraena will form part of Gabler’s TRIPLE-M mast system in the future Type 216 submarine.
website http://maschinenbau.gabler-luebeck.de/en/entwicklungen/eigenschutz/index.html
Brochure (pdf): http://maschinenbau.gabler-luebeck.de/files/triple_m.pdf
http://www.defense-update.com/products/m/muraena.htm

Before that, UK developed Blowpipe launcher for subs.

Discussion http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?p=1439180

October 27, 2012 at 12:16 am in reply to: Russian Navy Thread #2010094

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October 26, 2012 at 12:19 am in reply to: Navies news from around the world -IV #2010167

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someone suggested they are dummies, for show/propaganda….:confused:

October 25, 2012 at 10:46 pm in reply to: Navies news from around the world -IV #2010174

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Oto 76/62: licensing agreements were concluded with Australia (not pursued), Japan and Spain. A licence agreement (now expired) was signed in 1976 with the FMC Corporation (later United Defense and now BAE Systems, Land & Armaments). Today the Licensors of the OTO Melara 76/62 series are JSW in Japan, BHEL in India, Navantia in Spain and …

http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Naval-Weapon-Systems/OTO-Melara-76-62-mm-MMI-Compact-76-mm-Super-Rapid-76-mm-Mk-75-76-mm-Mk-75-Mod-2-76-mm-AD-76-mm-IROF-76-mm-STRALES-Fajr-27-DART-Ammunition-3AP-fuze-Italy.html

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_3-62_mk75.htm

Iran also makes an (unlicensed) copy [hint! isolationist country with good arms trade relations with China]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-27 Fajr-27 is a domestically manufactured Iranian rapid fire naval artillery system based on the Italian OTO Melara 76mm dual purpose.http://iranmilitarynews.org/2012/09/20/mashreghnews-overview-of-6-years-of-defense-achievements/

DIesels: see Type 054A > Shaanxi / SEMT Pielstick 16 PA6 STC diesels (chinese license production)

AK-230
About 1450 guns were produced in the USSR and about 300 were produced in China as the Type 69
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-230

AK630 > obviously in production in China (used on Types 022, 054)

Mostly Chinese stuff if you ask me… AShM tubes remind of much bigger tubes of c602.

October 25, 2012 at 4:37 pm in reply to: Navies news from around the world -IV #2010182

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According to wikipedia the Aung Zeya class frigate will be equipped with SS-N-25 ‘Switchblade’ or Kh-35U.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aung_Zeya_class_frigate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-N-25_Switchblade

But…. these look very different both in terms of tube and frame. Hence the question.

October 24, 2012 at 10:41 am in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2010236

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qO3_sBOcKkQ#!

Very nice video.

@ 1:00 min: wondering what the Russians thought of that…
@ 1:45 min: if Mig29K won’t fit then deck starboard of island at least able to hold heli’s (see also hangar shots for relative width’s)
@ 7:10 min: nicely turning at speed

Too back about the sound track…

October 23, 2012 at 4:10 pm in reply to: Navies news from around the world -IV #2010264

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Can anyone identify the missile on this Myanmar navy ship?

October 23, 2012 at 9:17 am in reply to: Navies news from around the world -IV #2010269

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And even if those were crew quarters rather than troop quarters, it would still be a long way from how it was in the 1950-1960 USN…

http://exileinportales.blogspot.nl/2012/08/not-your-fathers-air-force-xxi.html

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?176319-The-United-States-Navy/page11

October 23, 2012 at 8:27 am in reply to: Navies news from around the world -IV #2010273

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That accommodation doesn’t look anywhere near as nice as other large new vessels being built by other navies I thought navies wanted to improve accommodation to boost morale thus reducing personnel turnover.

Perhaps mixing up SHIP CREW QUARTERS and EMBARKED TROOP BERTHING?!

You’ld need pics of HMS Ocean interior e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/75799139@N05/

Vikramaditya: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?129481-Aircraft-Carriers-Intensive-PIX!!/page341

USS Kearsarge (WASP class) US Fleet action Kosovo war 1999

http://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=CMS3&VF=SearchDetailPopupPage&VBID=2K1HZOIBU0T7D&PN=1&IID=2S5RYDZ8ULVB

Old days USMC :

October 22, 2012 at 6:18 pm in reply to: Navies news from around the world -IV #2010297

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U.S. Navy Christens Future USS America (LHA 6)

Approximately 45% of the Flight 0 design is based on LHD-8, with the well deck removed to allow more room for aircraft and aviation fuel. Removal of the well dock for landing craft provides for an extended hangar deck with two significantly wider high bay areas, each fitted with an overhead crane for aircraft maintenance. These changes were required in order to operate the F-35B and MV-22 which are considerably larger than the aircraft they replace. The typical aircraft complement is expected to be 12 MV-22B Osprey transports, 6 STOVL F-35B Lightning II attack aircraft, 4 CH-53K heavy transport helicopters, 7 AH-1Z/UH-1Y attack helicopters and 2 Navy MH-60S “Knighthawks” for air-sea rescue. The exact makeup of the ship’s aircraft complement will vary according to its mission. It can carry 20 F-35B and 2 MH-60S to serve as a small aircraft carrier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_America_(LHA-6)

Comes complete with a brig…
http://www.ussamerica.org/lha6.asp

October 22, 2012 at 1:21 pm in reply to: Royal Navy helicopter deploys on French warship #2010342

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The entire effort is to gain experience working together. Most military ventures these days are multi-national efforts. The bombing of Libya for example, was a combination of many air forces were working together. No country donates a lot of military forces (less money) but, as a combined force it is far stronger than what Libya could deal with. While the US said no US aircraft flew into Libyan air space. The USA contributed EA-18Gs, the E-2C and, many tomahawk missiles were used first. Other countries contributed land attack missiles. The Rafale and Typhoon saw their first combat.

Well, I was thinking in terms of cross-decking, cross-crewing but with a view also (perhaps in future) towards one nation providing one capability and the other another, complementary capability (e.g. heli’s <> LHD). In the event a nation can no longer afford to acquire or maintain both capabilities.

October 22, 2012 at 1:18 pm in reply to: Russian Navy Thread #2010345

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Anything of interest on the 20ft container-mounted version of Kh-35? The announcement of KH-35UE seems to have received little attention, as opposed to the similarly 40-ft containerized Club-K before it.

http://www.concern-agat.com/press-center/press-release/383-club-k-fire

http://www.sicherheitspolitik-dss.de/autoren/lemcke/elhn1111.htm
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