The loss of the HMAS Sydney is no more an “enduring….mystery” than “Custer’s Last Stand.” It was a complete failure of leadership that apparently lead to the loss of the HMAS Sydney with all hands and German accounts would seem to be largely accurate. That HSK Kormoran was lost in return had far more to do with the engine room design defects of German motorships, which were prone to engine room fires, than the relatively light return fire from Sydney. The loss of the HMAS Sydney was no doubt viewed as a national tragedy at the time, but prevailing bigotry and wartime censorship prevented the Australian public, and the RAN, from accepting the true cause of the loss for far too long.
Now that we’ve got that out of the way, let’s pay some last respects. A lot of good men died out there. What can/does the find teach?
Congrats Snake! Who gets this one?
Dannish Soloeven class. Next:D
Ps, the bay needs still recognition. A hint: Why would I post such casual British frigate?
march 15 1945 – Frigate HMS Carnarvon Bay launched?
Its use cannot be prevented per se, but its use will put a bar upon future maintenance,refurbishment(of the ship+the helos) for which IN is still dependent on the US.
Most of INs Sea King fleet comes from the UK. I’m sure AgustaWestland or Pratt & Whitney Canada could handle maintenance or refurb of six H-3 Sea King maritime utility transport helicopters if the US did not want to provide these services.
As for the ship itself, do consider it’s an LPD, not an AEGIS cruiser. WIth IN’s track record of keeping old ships operatioal (e.g. 2 vintage carriers), I’m sure their yards can handle Trenton if need be. What little weapons it has (e.g. Phalanx) can be replaced (e.g. Kashtan). There is little – if any – dependence on US support in general in IN, IIRC.
do search!
Initially I though a River class frigate (WW2 era), then Loch class. But now quite convinced its a Bay class frigate.
http://www.internetmodeler.com/2003/march/ships/SBB.htm
Cardigan bay
Mounts bay (Korean War)
Too easy, Dutch Van Kinsbergen;)
Well done, must dig up a real obscure one next …
2.000 tons
103,2 x 11.6 meter
25,5 knots
4 x 12 cm canon
2 x 7,5 cm canon,
1 x twin 40 mm AAA,
2 hmg 12,7 mm
Aye, laddies, chew on this one for a bit.
A lot of hubhub about nothing: IN will have its peacetime use and in case of an actual military conflict ‘in our time’, is it really realistic to assume that it would not be used? Or that its use would be prevented (short of sinking her, how?)
Don’t like the tone of these articles e.g. ” damning capitulation of the Indian Navy to conditions imposed by the Pentagon “
Uhm, who proved these conditions were ‘imposed’ (as opposed to ‘agreed on’)
Uhm, who proved ‘agreement’ equals ‘capitulation’
For the price of $50 million, what is the whining all about? This ship is intended to develop operational concepts and train, and will in a relatively short time be replaced by new built capability.
is there a Belgium Wigiligen class in there [sorry for the spelling]
No, no Wielingen class in that picture.
I see:
2 Karel Doorman M-class frigates
1 De Zeven Provincien LCF-class AAW frigate
LPD Johann de Witt1 Dutch Tripartite MHC
1 Belgian Tripartite MHC (another Dutch one behind it by the looks of it)1 Norwegian Oksoy-class (SES) MHC, maybe with the stern of the Spanish MCM support ship Diana (Descubierta-class) in front of it.
And probably another 2 ships lost in the clutter of masts at the bow of the Karel Doorman.
Excellent, you’re it next.
Ok, that makes:
Delhi class (P15)
2x Godavari class (P16), of which one upgraded with Elta radars and Barak (INS Ganga)
1x Brahmaputra class (P16A)
4 x Kilo class submarines
Next!
Grom class destroyer. There were two ships built:
Grom – Sunk on 4 May 1940 in Ofotfjord near Narvik
Blyskawica – Currently preserved as a museum ship in Gdynia (with eight 4-inch / 102 mm guns in 4 twin mountings)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grom_class
true
just seems the f-100s are a little small thats all
full load displacement of 5800 tons (though smaller than DDG-51’s approx 8800 tons fld and DDX’s 14600 tons fld.) is not small, particularly considering this size relative to the size of the Perry and Anzac classes (4200 and 3600 tons fld). Plain to see that 5800 is a much more logical progression than 8800 or 14600.
There is 1x TYPE 16A Brahmaputra Class Frigate, because the quadruple KT-184 launchers, angled at 30º are clearly visible on the first ship.
The others are 2x TYPE 16 Godavafri Class Frigate.
Ayala Botto
Getting warmer.