LEASE GD, LEASE (Opportunity lost ….)!!!!!
Adding though-balloon to Putin: “WTF am I looking at?!?”
Whilst basing title on role makes sense, it still doesn’t explain DDG1000. It’s role seems to fit a Cruiser role.
Or given the ship is the ultimate jack of all trades, perhaps it should be a Battleship (BB). :p
I suspect it all comes down to politics just like F-16CJ and F/A-18E/F and just like reclassification of Destroyer Leaders to Cruisers in the 1970s due to the “Cruiser Gap.”
Well, the program went from DD 21 (next century destroyer) to DD(X), and programme focus would now be on a family of advanced technology surface combatants, rather than a single ship class.
The Japanese have a helicopter carrier they classify as a destroyer.
Which can be explained by looking at what they are replacing (ASW oriented DDH with 3 Seaking / SeaHawk) and sensitivities surrounding flattopped ships in JMSDF. It is NOT a random naming choice.
Varyag should probably be ex-Ukrainian or ex-USSR, Russia never possessed it.
Unless it was a design by a Russian design bureau.
We know where all aviation capable USSR ships were built: Ukraine.
The Arleigh Burke class replaced a number of cruisers of the Leahy and Belknap class – still they are destroyers.
Leahy and Belknap classes were originally designated as Destroyer Leaders (DLG) and referred to as frigates. As were their nuclear successors initially.
http://destroyerhistory.org/coldwar/belknapclass/
http://www.destroyerhistory.org/coldwar/leahyclass/
http://destroyerhistory.org/coldwar/destroyerleaders/
http://destroyerhistory.org/coldwar/nuclearclasses/
But anyway: what is TODAY the difference between a destroyer and a cruiser? And what is the difference between a destroyer and a frigate?
The size? I think not that this could be a logical criterion.
These classifications are today completely arbitrary, some navies call everything destroyer (e.g. the Japanese navy), others everything frigate frigate (e.g. the German navy).
I think that frigate, destroyer and cruisers fused to one type – and this starts already with the big DL in the 1950s. E.g. the Mitscher class was classified as destroyer leader, was called a frigate and had the size (and also the function) of a light cruiser…
See http://www.amiinter.com/pagex.php?pg=vesseltypes
There also used to be a nice set of role descriptions in one of the Forecasting International market reports, but I’m unable to locate it. Key point: classification is based on role and cability rather than tonnage.
There may have been, but I expect all enquiries will have been met with a complete lack of interest, & the same for the Invincible class. No customers = no sale.
DONATE her to as a museum ship…..
Last voyage for the Spanish Principe de Asturias π
Can’t believe there isn’t even a token effort to attempt and sell her …. π‘
PLEASE MERGE 5 and V threads!!!!
List of RUSSIAN DIESEL POWERED ICEBREAKERS ….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_icebreakers#Russia
What do they use ….
List of diesel powered ice breakers in RUssian Service
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_icebreakers#Soviet_Union
Diesel-powered icebreakers
Kapitan Khlebnikov en route to Wrangel Island
Kapitan Belousov (1954β1991; sold to Ukraine)[5]
Kapitan Voronin (1955β1996; broken up)[6]
Kapitan Melekhov (1956β1994; broken up)[7]
Moskva (1959β1998; broken up)[8]
Leningrad (1960β1993; broken up)[9]
Khariton Laptev (1962β??; ex-Ledokol-3; broken up?)
Ivan Kruzenshtern (1964β; ex-Ledokol-6)[10]
Yuriy Lisyanskiy (1965β; ex-Ledokol-9)[11]
Kiev (1965β1993; broken up)[12]
Murmansk (1968β1995; broken up)[13]
Vladivostok (1969β1997; broken up)[14]
Fyodor Litke (1970β; laid up)[15]
Semyon Dezhnev (1971β)[16]
Yermak (1974β)
Admiral Makarov (1975β)
Krasin (1976β)
Kapitan M. Izmaylov (1976β)
Kapitan Kosolapov (1976β)
Kapitan A. Radzhabov (1976β)
Kapitan Sorokin (1977β; fitted with Thyssen-Waas bow in 1991)
Kapitan Chechkin (1977β)
Kapitan Plakhin (1977β)
Kapitan Nikolaev (1978β; rebuilt in 1990)
Kapitan Chadaev (1978β)
Kapitan Krutov (1978β)
Kapitan Bukaev (1978β)
Kapitan Zarubin (1978β)
Kapitan Dranitsyn (1980β)
Kapitan Khlebnikov (1981β)
Magadan (1982β)
Mudyug (1982β)
Dikson (1983β)
Kapitan Evdokimov (1983β)
Kapitan Babichev (1983β)
Kapitan Chudinov (1983β)
Kapitan Borodkin (1983β)
Avraamiy Zavenyagin (1984β)
Kapitan Mecaik (1984β)
Kapitan Deminov (1984β)
Kapitan Moshkin (1986β)
Karu (1988β; ex-Karhu, ex-Kapitan Chubakov; purchased from Finland)
Tor (2000β; purchased from Sweden)[17]
Dudinka (2006β; ex-Apu; purchased from Finland)
Moskva (2008β)
Sankt-Petersburg (2009β)
Fuel additive
http://www.westernoil.com.au/containers.php?pagename=FEATURED%20PRODUCT&id=50
Official: Chinese Frigate Locked Radar on Japanese Navy
But seriously, for launching a c-802, you donΒ΄t need to paint the target with a radar…. maybe for gunfire.
Possible section of rumored type 081 LHD?
Probably it is a section from one of the four new LNG ships that have been ordered by Mitsui Osk Line.
http://shipbuildinghistory.com/today/highvalueships/lngactivefleet.htm
See discussionΒ± http://www.china-defense.com/smf/index.php?topic=2107.160

http://www.lngworldnews.com/lng-tanker-due-at-uk-south-hook-this-week-4/
ItΒ΄s a luxury to have aerobatics teams….
And with that, lets end this debate. Thank you.