Thx for the info Wanshan.
I really don’t see how systems like French radar and such will be bought by the Russian.. Its hightec systems, i’m not talking about some Thale laser target systems for the T-90s..

Sagem TI sights?

How much work is it to install Russian language into French systems onboard the Mistral class?
Do they have to re-write some of the software or do they simply just change to Russian language through the menu?:)

Do you folks think this deal will see daylight?

Thanks

I don’t think the russians are primarily interested in radar. Really, like ZIL said, I think they want the C3I stuff.

Total Indigenous Efforts Account For 60% Of ‘Chapati’ Warship, Shivalik, Cost !!!

I wish our navy ships had chapati-machines ….. 😡

Meanwhile …. 6000 tons !?!?!? That’s almost the 6800-7000 tons fl-displacement of the P15A Kolkata class (Length: 163 m / 535 ft; Beam: 17.4 m / 57 ft)
Most sources say 4900-5000 tons full load for P17 (Length: 142.5 m / 468 ft; Beam: 16.9 m / 55 ft; Draught: 4.5 m / 15 ft).
This is more similar to the Talwar’s 4,035 tons (Length: 124.8 m, beam: 15.2 metres, Draught: 4.2 metres)

Russians want French systems aboard the ship. If they will not get it, there is a strong possibility they will not buy it. See the famous Popovkin’s interview.

What systems? It’s not that the Mistral is heavily armed…. or that the russians don’t know how to make weaponsystems, helicopters or (air cushion) landing craft.

The primary candidate: the high-performance communications suite which makes the ship suitable for deployment as a command vessel.

The Mistral Class is fitted with the DCN Senit 8 derivative combat data system and will be fitted with the French Navy’s SIC 21 command system for joint operations, which is being developed by Thales. A high-performance communications suite includes the Thales Syracuse III satellite communications system.

Runners up:

a) Countermeasures: The ship’s electronic support measures, which include the Thales ARBR 21 radar warning receiver

b) Sensors: MMR-3D NG G-band multi-role surveillance radar from Thales Naval France, with a lightweight phased array antenna: this can operate as both a surveillance radar and a self-defence system sensor, with automatic mode switching. In surface surveillance mode, the MRR-3D NG can detect low and medium-level targets at ranges of up to 140km and in long-range 3D air surveillance mode targets up to 180km; in the self-defence mode, it can detect and track any threat within a radius of 60km.

Although the Mistral is the French Navy’s first all-electric warship, fitted with two Alstom 7MW electric azimuth pods and a power-generation system consisting of three 16V32 and one 18V200 Wartsila diesel generators that provide 20.8MW power, I’m excluding this since it will not be possible to withhold this.

I’m also excluding weapons. The Mistral is armed with two MBDA France Simbad launchers for the Mistral air defence missile. Mistral has infrared guidance and a range up to 6km. Russia produces this kind of stuff e.g. AK-630 and Gibka

Wanshan, if you could find deck plans I wouldn’t be surprised if the total area taken up by the two islands on QE is very similar to the area taken up by the one island of Cavour.

Would be interesting to know anyway. But just becase you have two superstructures doesnt mean the total area used will be higher then if there is one.

Care to rummage around here?http://digilander.libero.it/en_mezzi_militari/html/en_cavour.html

ANZAC Radar Cross Section Screens

RCS screens (woven stainless steel ring mesh sliding screens, similar to successful installations for the South African Navy and Royal Malaysian Navy) have been planned for fitting to 1 Deck waist area and 2 deck quarterdeck cutouts

See article: http://www.ausmarinetech.com.au/projects/rcs.htm

Below further HMAS Perth in her current state and the first new mast under construction. She is expected to be completed and put to see in October 2010 for sea trials through until April 2011.

Story: http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/msd/sea1448/sea1448.cfm

I don’t know how they are doing it, but if they are going to the effort of putting these in , I assume they would be sloped….

How can that be, since the existing hull panels to which one would have to attach aren’t sloped?

I read somewhere that they were getting screens fitted to the sides of the superstructure to smooth out the structure and make them more stealthy. From what was said, the models havent had all the latest changes added to them yet.

Would that matter much, if the smoothed-out superstructure remains vertical rather than angled (just making a larger reflecting surface, though with less scatter)?

Brahmos alone wont give that step change advantage if i remember correctly the 54’s have either the shizzler or the sunburn.

We also do not know what other electronics hardware the 54’s have.

They have neither, they have YJ-82 / C-802