ok so it is still exploding but in other areas. still lethal ship.
That´s no explanation. Further, it is non-specific. :rolleyes:
Whoever though up that name ought to be fired!
Jordan sold a good part of their F-5 fleet to Kenya and Brazil.
For shipping to Kenya, they were taken apart and after reassembly upon arrival, the Kenian appear to have trouble getting them flyable again ….:rolleyes:
Since the propulsion plant is essentially identical, if it is expected that Gorshkov/Vikramaditya will give trouble then one should also expect Varyag/Liaoning to have such trouble. The service record of Kuznetsov should be indicative in this respect: I don’t recall her having had boiler problems.
In short, why are ‘we’ expecting Gorshkov to be a lemon and Varyag not? PLease explain the essential differences between the two that would account for the different expectation.
and indian navy still buy it lol. russians good sales men
Well, …
Admiral Gorshkov was a modified Kiev class aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy, originally named Baku. Sometimes Gorshkov is considered a separate class due to its improvements including a phased array radar, extensive electronic warfare installations, and an enlarged command and control suite. Commissioned in December 1987, she’s a lot younger than the other 3. In 1994, following a boiler room explosion, the ship was docked for a year of repairs. Although she returned to service in 1995, she was finally withdrawn in 1996 and offered for sale. The exploding boilers (a problem also encountered by Sovremenny’s) had to do with poor maintenance and water quality IIRC. Note that Varyag/Kuznetsov got essentially the same propulsion plant
that part
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_World
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_(Flugdeckkreuzer)
http://www.hazegray.org/features/russia/carrier.htm
She, like Novorossiysk suffered a major fire which put her out of USSR service.
This class was plagued by mechanical problems and a tendency to spontaneously combust, resulting in short careers. Novorossiysk lasted only a decade as an operational vessel, for example.
russia should have kept their old minsk class carriers. china can sell them back the one they bought and renovated and even offer good upgrades like they did with variag
wtf?!
Kiev (1975–1993) Sold to China, now a luxury hotel at Binhai Aircraft Park, a military theme park in Tianjin
Minsk (1978–1993) Sold to Korea → China, now part of CITIC Minsk World amusement park
Novorossiysk (1982–1993) Sold to Korea (scrapped)
Baku (1987–1991), Admiral Gorshkov (1991-1995), now Vikramaditya (Entering Indian service in 2012)
Dude, seriously, is there any good reason why we shouldn’t start? I mean c’mon, I’m sure a lot of our allies wouldn’t mind a refurbished super carrier.
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nice pic of evil red commie’s decks 😀 (from link above)
1985-ish
Russia Drops Plans to Build Two Mistral Class Ships – Paper
(Source: RIA Novosti; published Dec. 21, 2012)
MOSCOW — The Russian Defense Ministry has decided to abandon plans for construction of two Mistral class amphibious assault ships under the French license in Russia, business daily Vedomosti said on Friday citing a government source.
Russia and France signed a $1.2-billion contract for two French-built Mistral class ships, including the transfer of sensitive technology, in June 2011.
The first ship, the Vladivostok, is being built at a DCNS shipyard in Saint-Nazaire and should be delivered in 2014, while the second, the Sevastopol, is scheduled for delivery in 2015.
Two more ships were expected to be 80% built in Russia, 20% in France.
However, Russian shipbuilders and many navy experts have always been skeptical about the military necessity to deploy four ships of this class with the Russian Navy, the paper said.
In addition, the domestic construction of the two ships would cost Russia approximately the same amount of money as the French contract, while their future upkeep would lay a heavy burden on the defense budget, according to defense industry sources.
The decision has been made following the recent reshuffle in the Russian top military brass which saw the dismissal of Anatoly Serdyukov from the post of defense minister and his replacement by former emergencies minister Sergei Shoigu, who immediately took the course on streamlining defense expenditures.
A Mistral-class ship is capable of carrying 16 helicopters, four landing vessels, 70 armored vehicles, and 450 personnel.
The French-built ships are expected to be assigned to Russia’s Pacific Fleet.
The Russian Defense Ministry has not yet commented on the Vedomosti report.
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Perhaps some struggle between a group of Mistral proponents and a group of proponents of nuclear cruiser reactivation within the navy?
Ship: Vize-Admiral Drozd (Вице-Адмирал Дрозд)
Hull Numbers: 583(1968), 548, 553(1970), 592, 298, 299(02.1976), 560(1982), 060(1984), 097(1985), 054(1988), 068(1990)
Yard No.: №793
Laid Down: 26.10.1965
Launched: 18.11.1966
Commissioned: 27.12.1968
Modernizations: added 2×1 45 mm 21KM, added navigation radar «Don»
Decommissioned: 1.07.1990
Scrapped: Sank 1992 on way to breakers
Lots of nice pics here: http://drozd-cruiser.ucoz.ru/photo/fotografija_1/4-0-310 and here http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?id=3303
3 large pics here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Vize-Admiral_Drozd_(ship,_1968)
Way more pics by search on shipname in Cyrillic than in regular alphabet.


The glaring exception to that is PdeA, which was supposed to remain in service for at least 8 more years, while her replacement was built.
Now the replacement is in question… they will use Juan Carlos I as her de-facto replacement, and will re-assess the building of a true replacement* a few years down the road.
* Despite being larger, JCI is designed primarily as a troop/vehicle transport with a secondary aviation capability… PdeA, despite being smaller, could carry more aircraft, and had more aviation fuel and munitions stores, as well as better maintenance facilities.
We will see if the latter are transferred to JCI.
BUT… PdA is not mentioned in the article, which suggests it isn’t on the ‘for sale’ list (just yet)
Before the money ran out the decks were well painted and it did not appear to be a cheap ‘just the base coat of red lead paint’ idea.
For purpose of dating, note the ship type (Mirka class) and the Opel Kadett… This is a visit of corvette project 35 (Mirka) to Copenhagen in 1976
This is a visit of Kotlin class destroyer (Project 56) “Nastoychivy” to Copenhagen in 1976.

SAM Kotlin 1981![]()
Soviet missile cruiser Project 58 (Kynda) class Admiral Golovko, 18 Sep 1990
A Kresta II guided missile cruiser and a Udaloy class destroyer in Severomorsk, July 1992.![]()