We will get independence Charlie, if not this time, then next time around.
Another difference between us and the ‘No’ voters is that they are quite happy stuck in the same old Westminster rut, and don’t expect things to get any better. They think by voting Scottish Labour, Scottish Conservative, or Scottish Liberal, etc, they are voting for a Scottish party and have done their bit for Scotland, but in reality all their masters are in London.
We nationalists aren’t simply going to go belly up and disappear after a ‘No’ vote – I just hope independence happens before I creak off…
Well speaking personally, I have no feeling of being stuck in any rut and, businesswise, have noticed a decided improvement in the last year or so and expect that may continue. Neither am I misled by prefixing Scottish onto any political party. As for my “masters” being in London – well, why not? Got to be based somewhere. Frankly I wish this entire “independence” thing had never reared its head as it is engendering a real us and them attitude both between
English and Scot and Scottish Yes voter v. No voter. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned ugly. Very sad.
Thanks for all the reassuring comments since my last post. Very kind of you.
Good luck to them,if they want it i hope they get it.
To all who have expressed similar thoughts – can I please ask that, should the vote be Yes, spare a thought for us Scots who voted No, not because of any financial considerations or suchlike but because we have always considered ourselves British first; have English family and friends; and see this referendum as a total waste of time and money.
Great photos baz. Thanks for posting. Found the other thread you were talking about too – great detective work there.
doesn’t Scotland also have Members of Parliament with votes to cast in the Westminster Parliament? What matters do these Scottish Members of the Westminster Parliament get to vote on; for example, do they get to vote on matters of education in English schools (when Scotland has its own education system)?
Yes – in my area we have the SNP’s Roseanna Cunningham in Edinburgh and Labour’s Gordon Banks in Westminster with, I believe, a vote on all matters arising whether directly affecting Scotland or not.
With the new poll that suggests the Scottish nationalists might win
A lot of people up here are hoping that that poll is giving a false reading. Going back several months everybody was talking freely about the referendum and how they were going to vote and it was possible to have a civil conversation about it. Over the last couple of months that has definitely changed – the Yes voters are still vocal but everyone else is talking in whispers and conversation on the subject stops when anyone enters the room. People have faced verbal abuse and aggression – particularly in the cities. Only today I heard of an active No campaigner in a small local village having his phone lines cut. It is very easy now to lose customers/ clients through expressing the ‘wrong’ opinion so it’s really best to say either nothing or to agree with whichever side of the argument is being put to you. It could be that some are telling the polls that they will vote Yes out of fear.
Whatever the result it has sadly been a very divisive process.
MM – as mentioned elsewhere in this thread I am a huge lover of Scotland and its people having spent a fair bit of my life travelling in and working there. I have many friends dotted about from the Lowlands to the Northern Isles but none are Yes voters. In fact my friends in Orkney and Shetland are strongly opposed to independent rule from Edinburgh by the SNP.
But may I pose a question? There is much talk of Cameron having to resign if the vote is yes. What about Salmond’s position if the vote does not go his way?
Apologies Charlie and thanks too.
Mr Salmond will, of course, be going nowhere should the vote fail. Indeed I suspect he already has a “celebration” planned at which he will point out how many more powers he has gained instead.
Well thank you Argonaut. It’s nice to know there’s still some goodwill directed our way!
For No-voting Scots this is a difficult time and some of the comments have certainly been uncalled-for generalisations of the entire population up here. There’s not as many “porkers” as there are piggies-in-the-middle at the moment caught between the aggro of the Yes voters and the nastiness of a section of the population south of the border in particular. This is exactly the divisiveness I was talking about and, whatever the outcome of the vote, that may remain as a legacy of the referendum process; devolution and SNP rule. Many of us Scots immediately knew how we would vote because of the strength of family ties, friendships and a feeling of being British as well as Scottish. Financial concerns or fear for the future didn’t even come into the decision. As to the immigrants, the general feel within the area I’m in is that they will vote No. The Poles in particular learned their history from the previous generation who may have lived in Scotland during, and for a few years after, the war but served in the RAF or British Army. The Asian population run many businesses including wholesale importing for whom currency issues could cause real problems. My concern is more the sections of the population who won’t be voting at all – several thousand Jehovah’s Witnesses for example.
A lot of damage has already been done and certainly if it is a Yes vote then the SNP will need to start building bridges in Scotland’s relationship with the remainder of the UK. My concern is whether they have anyone on their team capable of doing that.
It’ll be all Westminster’s fault, of course 🙂
Green with envy? No, not me!!;)
It was a fantastic experience, Charlie. Highly recommend it – And Christmas is coming – you could drop hints lol 🙂
There was a bit of naval activity going on too with a sub and its attendant flotilla making its way up to Faslane –
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Also a ship moored at Loch Striven (one of the Dambusters test areas)
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A less fortunate vessel from the past – the MV Captayannis, which sank in 1974
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And a final few photos of our aircraft –
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A few more. The dockyard is at Greenock. First photo is Rothesay and larger town in 6th photo is Dunoon. The series of small islands are the Cumbraes.
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Mothminor
Would it be intrusive to ask you for an indication of costs for this trip ?
With thanks,
Hi John,
I’d check out the website as kindly supplied by Newforest as the company run a few different trips. If you were considering it, remember the coastal route isn’t always the preferred route around the Loch Lomond area – the route taken being weather dependant as I mentioned earlier.
But then it is Scotland and the chance of getting some rain and wind on any given day is probably above average!! 🙂
Black Spout and dam at Pitlochry
Bit of rain up here in Scotland in recent weeks ( just for a change lol). Photos taken in Pitlochry where the dam was in full flow. Walking across it we could really feel the force of the water being churned through yet the loch on the other side was calm as a millpond.
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We then walked/climbed up to the wonderfully named Black Spout waterfall. A bit tricky to find at first but well worth the walk.
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According to an old Scottish Air News KF532 was seen in the scrap compound at Lossiemouth in August 1955.