Snow MonkeyWhat a joke… So the parameters known all along, that the president would judge the factors in accordance with sovereignty, e.g. geopolitics, taking into account FAB’s analysis, is now alleged to be illegal ‘by a Brazilian individual’. Get real, the US’ record on export controls, not to mention coup-d’etat’s, and UK’s contrary stance to Brazil’s solidatirity with Argentine position re: Malvinas just might suggest there could be strategic issues involved with becoming dependent on those countries for what is to be the sole modern fighter platform of FAB… Which exists to defend Brazil’s sovereignty, i.e. independent policy. Nobody would be surprised if US or NATO countries did not buy AA-11 just because it offered superior capability for a better price. If every factor came down to a 1 dimensional “economic principles”, there does not need to be independent countries, for every country would be under one ruling regime.
Honestly, I don’t think pulling tricks like this, or the insubordination of ‘leaking’ illegitimate ‘rankings’ is going to work out in it’s protagonists’ favor. Clearly there are factions in Brazil that are quite more content to align themselves with US policy, internationally and domestically, but tricks like this to bypass the ‘political’ and ‘democracy’ aren’t going to impress their opponents.
Snow MonkeyWhere is there talk of ‘giving’ Greece aid (money)?
Greece has just asked for solidarity from other govenments to help bring back the basis point spread from it’s current high levels, which has alot to do with financial speculation, including by european financial insitutions with close state ties. Is anybody talking about helping finance Greek debt at better terms than IMF? If not, I don’t see the point of such a discussion.
Ironically, some months ago there was an article published by der Spiegel expounding on how countries of either especially low tax evasion, or especially tax evasion (like Greece) outperformed other economies in growth. All of Greece’s offical numbers in terms of debt:GDP are using the official numbers, i.e. without the cash economy, so it’s situation is not near as bad as they would suggest. Not to say there’s plenty that can’t be improved, but the current basis spread is objectively unjustifiable.
Snow MonkeyThe general premise is reasonable, but try to make sense of this part:
…President Putin claimed that an initial batch(not sure whats the exact numbers) of T-50s would begin operational evaluation at Lipetsk in 2013, prior to the start of mass production in Komsomolsk-on-Amur from 2015.
…The claimed operational evaluation date also contradict earlier statements that that the T-50s production deliveries would not take place until KnAAPO had delivered all of the 48 Su-35S ordered last August, the final example of which are due for delivery in 2015.
That’s a tight schedule even assuming the 117 won’t need many modifications and several sub-systems are carried over from Su-35, but I don’t see any contradiction between a program ending in 2015 and it’s successor starting up in 2015 (“from 2015”). Even if this schedule is optimistic to some extent, it doesn’t seem too far out of the realm of possibilities.
Snow Monkeyhotdog, the game’s up,
why link to the August 2007 youtube video with the scale demonstrator flying (with a prominent “1/5” in the sub-title)?
Snow MonkeyBwahahaha!
Snow MonkeyOr Sweden and the Eurofighter consortium simply couldn’t match “free” airframes…
Uh… Except Sweden can, and could probably turn a profit off leasing fully supported Gripens at the maintenance cost of Block 20 F-16s, whose support infrastructure isn’t included in that lovely “free” price. Regardless of the merits you suppose, they weren’t given a chance to present their best offer because Romanian MinDef didn’t make an open RFP.
So RoAF may very well end up with some Block 20s and Block 52/60s “when they can afford it”. Further violating transparent procurement standards probably isn’t going to help them their standing in EU and as seen in Bulgaria, there can be consequences. In any case, getting work share for probably the most exportable european fighter jet seems a half-way decent thing the government could do if it’s spending a chunk of change, up front or not. if romania doesn’t want a partnership, it should withdraw from EU. saves everybody some hassle.
It’s amazing how influential one can be, when the country in question is thankful to not be under Soviet control, and thankful for it
Yes, you can even get governments to promote military treaties and missile bases their own populations don’t remotely support. Unfortunate that the best strategy these governments seem to have is splitting up the sell-off of their country to multiple bidders to try and get the best ‘cut’ for themselves.
Snow MonkeyI was going to suggest that the Super Hornet then also likely passed, as they had the same engine, then realized that the Gripen sent was the Gripen D which has the 404, not the 414 in the SH. In addition, there were a number of ways in which an aircraft could have failed- i.e. unable to start (fuel system doesn’t like the cold), inability to climb adequately in such a rarefied atmosphere, etc…
I think the NG is supposed to be given it’s own trials run at a later date, given the current Gripen model was sent in it’s place as the NG demonstrator was ‘busy’ in Sweden, so it will be interesting to see if the other offerers will also be given a 2nd chance to send their cold/high modification prototypes… (if they make such modifications)
Snow MonkeyNot entirely sure how they want to impose their permit system on other South American nations what I do know is they are in effect shooting themselves in the foot in respect of lucrative support contracts.
Seeing as all Latin American governments are supporting Argentina’s position on this, it doesn’t seem out of bounds for Brazil and Uruguay to require Argentinian permits for Malv/Falklands-bound ships operating from their own ports if Argentina requests such a step, or simply to bar such traffic. I haven’t found any new reports of this happening yet, but it seems a logical next step in Argentine/South American ‘civil resistance’ to increase economic pressure on activities they don’t like. But I’m unaware of any such request being forwarded to other countries yet.
I have one question: Argentina seems to be explicitly relying on international law for their case. Have they attempted to take the subject to the ICJ? Has UK resisted this?
Snow MonkeyAgain, last post on this page (…)
Thanks, WHOEVER did such undisclosed photoshopping now has serious credibility issues. Bizarre.
@Otaku: Where is that visualization from? I look forward to seeing that in a full-plane schematic 🙂
Snow MonkeyThanks, I commented before your last line was added (or just missed it :))
The compressor fan visible behind the blocker in that picture shows how close such devices can be placed to the front of the engine.
I think earlier somebody asked why/how a radar blocker/ air-stream management device would ‘rotate’:
As I see it the rotation is related to ‘cranking’ the tightness of a virtual cone the radial elements are focused around, i.e. reducing cross-sectional area for air flow at high speeds and ‘opening up’ at low speeds… Like one end the device is a flower opening/closing. In other words, specificlly related more to the air-stream management aspect than blocking radar ‘line of sight’, though it does both jobs simultaneously. I expect it may be within the realm of possiblity for this very directional air-stream management to reduce the amount of space needed in front of the compressor face.
Anyhow, this school-yard bickering is a drag, bring on more juicy leaks!
Snow MonkeyKapedani, where and when did you find this photoshopped picture?
It doesn’t appear on the espacial.org site which is credited in the caption.
I’m sorry…what were you saying Otaku? I can’t hear you over the sound of how right I am.
But the important thing is…I was right 🙂
Well I guess “somebody” was right all along
I don’t think many of you understand the implications of the pictures posted Not surprising for people who think the T-50 remotely compares with anything 5-th generation.
It might be over some people’s heads as to why there is a difference between that form of assembly…and simply riveting sheet metal together
Kapedani, your repeated immaturity and arrogance would by itself dissuade most people from paying you any mind, regardless of the merits of your posts. If you respect yourself, or aim towards that goal, I’d advise participating in a more humble fashion so the valid merits of your perspective can be heard. The point of this forum is communication and sharing of information, not ‘winning’ or ‘proving your superiority’. It seems like you have the capacity to constructively contribute here, but your attitude seems a barrier to realizing that. What is the point of all your argumentative posts? Had you left it at “Well, this is how I see it, we’ll find out when there’s more info”, your original point about the space requirements of F-22-style S-Ducts would have been just as validated, only difference being the tone of discussion in the mean time.
Snow MonkeyYep, that’s right, and they also don’t hold ‘open competitions’ ruled by 1% price differentials for their procurement either.
AFAIK Damocles is not installed on Russian platforms, they use Russian equivalents, but is an export option.
There is also talk of acquiring French 4×4 armored car for police/interior ministry forces, though the general class is available domestically. I haven’t seen any specific reasons to explain the need for this, and it appears to be at least minorly controversial. I have no idea, but it could be related to Renault/Lada partnership…?
Snow MonkeyThanks Deino & Paja.
A picture can tell a thousand words.
More like 10,000 on this forum.
Snow MonkeyCan we take the argumentation over F35 dog-fighting and A2A load-out theory to another thread? Really.
Snow MonkeySo… Does it meet the requirements? And is it 1% cheaper than Boeing’s frankentanker? :rolleyes:
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