Just to throw a little fuel on to the fire, so to speak. I was told on this thread that Typhoon has NO advantages over Rapter. i think You’ll find, boys, that the manufacturers don’t agree with you.

From the F-22 Rapter official website

Wing Area: 840 sq ft
Engine Thrust Class: 35,000 lb
Level Speed: 921 mph
Total Length: 62.08 ft
Wing Span: 44.5 ft
Horizontal Tail Span: 29ft
Tail Span: 18’10”
Total Height: 16.67ft
Track Width: 10.6ft
Engines: Pratt & Whitney F-119
Max. Takeoff Weight: 60,000 lb (27,216 kg) Max. External Stores: 5,000 lb (2,270 kg) Weight Empty: 31,670 lb (14,365 kg) Ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,240 m) Crew: 1 G Limit: +9 G First Flight: September 7th 1997

From The Euro Fighter Typhoon Website

General characteristics
• Crew: 1 (operational aircraft) or 2 (training aircraft)
• Length: 15.96 m (52 ft 5 in)
• Wingspan: 10.95 m (35 ft 11 in)
• Height: 5.28 m (17 ft 4 in)
• Wing area: 50 m² (538 ft²)
• Empty weight: 11,000 kg (24,250 lb)
• Loaded weight: 15,550 kg (34,280 lb)
• Max takeoff weight: 23,500 kg (51,800 lb)
• Powerplant: 2× Eurojet EJ200 afterburning turbofan
o Dry thrust: 60 kN (13,500 lbf) each
o Thrust with afterburner: 90 kN (20,000 lbf) each
Performance
• Maximum speed:
o At altitude: Mach 2+ (2,120 km/h, 1,320 mph)
o At sea level: Mach 1.2
o Supercruise: Mach 1.1[134]-1.5[135]
• Range: 1,390 km (864 mi)
• Ferry range: 3,790 km (2,300 mi)
• Service ceiling 19,812 m (65,000 ft)
• Rate of climb: >315 m/s[136][137] (62,000 ft/min[138])
• Wing loading: 311 kg/m² (63.7 lb/ft²)
• Thrust/weight: 1.16
Armament
• Gun: 1x 27 mm Mauser BK-27 cannon 150 rounds

Agility aside which is a low speed regime at best. typhoon is faster, carries more fire power, has a better rate of climb. Do I really need to go on?

Quote: ‘He who laughs last, laughs longest!’

One of the worst pieces of trolling i have ever seen on this forum, or indeed on any forum.

I think the RuAF wants to put pressure on the Duma for a bigger budget to buy new fighters. The air force may well be intentionally exaggerating the facts.

They do but they are sruggling with the economy at the moment an example of this being the scrapping of the plans for a whole load of Iskander missiles facing into Poland, money was simply to tight and plans that seemed solid 6 months ago are now not worth the paper they are written on.

Well, you have to think about the smaller threats. The Autumn War in Georgia proved that smaller conflicts don’t usually cause for nukes. In those cases, air support and air superiority are sorely needed.

They really need to get their Glonass GPS sorted out too, from what I read it was basically useless in the Georgian conficlt and they were damn lucky the weather stayed favourable otheriwse it could have been very different.

At my point of view Burges are perfect hulls. For me an 50% larger version of Burge will be perfect. I don’t know why USN wants to return to “monitor” era. Why DDG 1000 should be such a stealthy. For a war against Iran lol!! Iran has 2 generation fighters 3 Kilos SSNs and 3 old , about 40 years old, British built corvetes. As for North Korea, they have WWI technology, and you can shoot down their missiles even by using Nike Hercules from museums!! So why the navy needs this awful floating box?
My proposal is an enlarger version of main DDG-51 hull about 285 m long and 15000t tonage.

Who says America is limited to only having North Korea and Iran as its enemys and that current allies can not switch sides in the future? Also what about the traditional enemys that are The Soviet Uni, sorry Russia and China, do they somehow not count?

My guess is Israel is not likely to get F-22’s……..same for Australia. Really, in my opinion Japan is the only likely candidate for exported Raptors. IMO

Given the Raptors ideal operating regime is high and very fast would israel even be able to get the most out of a fighter like the Raptor considering its tiny airspace?

I reckon that Jeff is likely to be disappeared by the mods if he carries on like this. I’m not Chinese by any stretch of the imagination and even I’m mildly offended by his comments.

Why are you offended over allegations that China makes alot of rubbish quality goods?
If you look at the last few years at some of the goods China have produced there have been without question some outstandingly bad products such as contaminated baby milk, lead in toys and contaminated dog food to name a few of them.

When talking about the Bronco I always have to think of the Venezuelan 1992 coup. Two Broncos shot down by F-16s, weird.

That bodes well for USAF Broncos…:eek: