But greg, I have already read this translation in other forums and firstly it was an encounter with rafale MF1 with pilots arriving directly from Crusaders and secondly even with this substandard and with less experienced pilots the rafale still achieved a marginal superiority over block 52. And I remember that even with the F1 standard the greek pilots where amazed by spectra’s capabilities in the same report.

In the most recent reports that I translated with the rafale F2 I see very praisworthy comments about the MMI, the datafusion, the situational awarness, cockpit etc…Of the rafale F2 which have their weight since the greek pilots also gives what would they would like on the rafale and which the rafale lacks like the missile to taget countdown on the HUD or the french pilots admitting that the HMS +Iris-t is a daedly combo. So it is a “neutral” view without the usual bias of “industry sources”

And this view is very positive about the rafale in both recent articles you provided. again the rafale F2 is certainly the only aircraft in the competition which dared to be compared and confronted to the very modern blck52 and the results (even if no exact kill ratio is given) seems very positive for the rafale knowing that the F3 or even more the F3+ will still widen the gap with the F16 block52. (imagine with the meteor!)

So you should really don’t mix a rafale F1 which was already deemed as “marginally superior” to a F16 block 52 with a rafale F2. According to a rafale test pilot wich was quoted in the monthly Air fan (special issue about the rafale during the F2 introduction) there is a generation gap between the two standard as well as a gap in capabilities.

I think that you are confusing many people when you don’t make the distinction between these events since they don’t imply the same standards.

So to conclude the rafale F2 faired pretty well against the block52+ even against very experienced an skilfull greek pilots in the ecents events.

EDIT : I see that we have the same interpretation with nicolas10 when I posted my post. And as he said the Greek AF can pick the 90kn variant of the M88 along with AESA, OSF ng …which are standard for export markets now. But I don’t think the rafale will win in greece ince frane has already won many military contracts (FREMM, helos…)

Good lord, thats a whole bag of excuses there! This is the joke with the Euro jets as its always “but they didn’t have this” or “in a few years they will be getting this” and never what they have now.

Oh please come on, if the new government knows it was all a scam by Bush and his cronies, which lets be honest about it is what you make it out to be do you not think the latest government, ear wax eater Rudd is it would have stopped this little scam of Bush and co?
Of course he would but it was no scam, hence no enquiry or investigation into the purchase, someones tin foil hat was a little to tightly fitted I think its fair to say. Oh btw just out of interest, what made Howard into Bush’s number one pal? The fact the he, like Bush thought a vicious, brutal and disgusting dictatorship (whose leader was a pedophile) that had bought misery to the middle east in many many ways was not a good thing and should be removed?

If you have nothing of substance to post, then dont post this verbal dribble or the mods can remove you from here.
Stick to the point of the thread and stop displaying your ignorance.

Merely responding to the poster ‘DJ’ comments though it looks as if that was lost on you as you raced to act like the forum wise guy, besides if you have nothing of substance to comment on then please refrain from spouting drivel like you just have.

so the F16 is stealthier than the rafale, wow!

i’ve learn something today a MLU taking at a rafale in BVR!

and from a guy that claims that Typhoon destroyed a Raptor!

no bias of course!

I’m not sure why a Typhoon taking down a Raptor or an MLU 16 taking down a Rafale are considered absurd, can you explain? As for the 16 being stealthier then the Rafale, I very much doubt it but I wouldn’t mind guessing the latest models aren’t to far off.

In addition to which, the ammunition and firepower capabilities of the Challenger II, did not meet Australian requirements anyway…

This is one of the reasons my long time tanker friend doesn’t think the Challenger II is as good as M1, it has a weaker gun and ammo. I believe the Challenger II is being upgunned to take a smoothbore gun barrel with better penetrating ammo, to late for Australia though.

I think it is important that the world decouple with the US economy real soon, for every single accountant i’ve heard of predict USA to go bancrupt unless some serious cuts are made right away.

Wishfull thinking, i’ve been hearing the same since, well as long as i can remember thats nearly 40 years. You will always have people like this thread proves that cannot stand to see America be number one and will wish for its collapse, which btw is always just around the corner to them. Its pretty funny how the doom sayers have been wrong every single time.

what do you mean by “allowed airspeed”? Actual restrictions placed by the producer on the plane, or by conditions?

cheers

Probably so the canopy doesn’t melt.

Truly? So you’re saying if we’d bought Challengers or Leopard 2s then we’d have made an enemy of the US? It is no different to (and in fact less substantial than) most of the other defence procurement projects conducted over the last few years, many of which have ended up with non-US gear, and out alliance has, if anything, got stronger. To suggest the US couldn’t stand Australia buying a few tanks from someone else (like, oh, I don’t know, our last batch) and make a huge geopolitical issue out of it is asinine!

Thats not what I said at all, you’re mis-qouting me a great deal.