From what ive gathered Colin’s managed to slip into the wake of the carrier undetected, take launch simulated attack, and get away. This later prompted USN to loan one of the Subs from Sweeds in order to improve defenses against similar subs. However as you pointed out im not claiming to be expert or know all the facts.

I actually spent a good half hour googling away yesterday till I got called away looking for a very eye opening paper written by an ex CVN captain. Reason being it was very enlightening about the collins sub excercises. From memory one of the main issues with the excercises was that the Carrier and its strike group are penned into a restricted area of operations so it does not simulate real blue ocean warfare to any real extent. Very good for littoral warfare training, for the rest of it not so good as the Collins class would be left in the dust so to speak in real ocean going combat.
There were many many other interesting and eye opening points too but without the paper I can’t give you any more info.

RIA Novosti. Tests of the fifth-generation combat aircraft should begin in 2009, and take it to weapons – in 2015, said Vice-Premier Sergey Ivanov, who supervises the implementation of government weapons programs.

Note in how he has cleverly used the “should begin” caveat instead of simple saying “will begin”. Don’t get your hopes up to much guys, he’s obviously felt the need to cover his back for a reason.

. I find it amazing that my government would spend 1.2 Billion dollars on a plane that can be brought down by a bird!

Except thats not happened yet after all these years…

hey ipod,

I disagree.. alot can happen in the first few days.. lots of sorties can happen!
if it takes more than a week or two for an air force to destroy the major threats and radar networks by VLO aircraft then some one needs to fire the planner.

remember what we are saying is the destruction of very dangerous SAMs, not all of them. you may not kn ow but some SAMs and AAAs are not a threat to legacy aircraft 😉

You have to realise the opponent generally does not have a death wish and is trying his best to survive and continue to fight. You simply expect to much if you think everything can be eliminated by day 2 or 3 or eliminated alltogether at all and finding targets can be 100% successful everytime, this is why the reliance on standoff weaponry is so dangerous as you often need to fly into enemy airspace to find targets, not loiter hundreds of miles off the border.

Again?!

His this suposed to prove me wrong?

Do i have to put here a ferking link for every damned crazy dictator/terrorist group that the USA have funded, trained, armed in the last fifty years?

From Sadam Hussein, to Al QAEDA, to Iran, to every maniac in South America (if they were not commies), etc, etc, etc…

The USA, the biggest arms seller in the world by a wide margin doesn´t have the moral ground to point fingers at any of it´s partners, and that includes France and Germany…

The worst part of this strange moral joke that you are playing his that a good portion of the NBC weapon´s that Sadam Hussein used against it´s own people were paid with American loans.

Here you go:

Why are you talking about America? I’m English.

And what if the Russians start lobbing tactical nukes at US Navy groups?

You get WW3 with ICBM fun and games

No one in the entire Western World can “throw stones” about arms deals with brutal dictatorships…
And THAT includes the United States of America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_sales_to_Iraq_1973-1990

And HOW does pilot SPATIAL DESORIENTATION relates to the lack of carefree handling exactly?:confused:

Thats what they tell you officially…