The only problem is those huge engine nacelles in the way, as well as the props. One careless moment, or sudden jolt to evade fire, and you may end up shooting your own aircraft.

Well at least it’d be exciting forn the crew! 🙂 I liked the video too.

I think Jon Beesley knows a thing or two more about 9G aircraft than you….:diablo::diablo::diablo:

Of course he dosn’t, its common knowledge Mr Beesley is an ‘armchair expert’ and nothing more and only those who post in this forum, no names mentioned, are the real experts. After all these forum posters fly and operate the jets and are privy to all the inside knowledge. You should know this by now Scooter…

Please do send me your money.
The Block 60 examples are that ones with the highest wing load and the least agile by that. :diablo:

From what i understand and have read there is a little and pretty much un-noticable difference, higher wingloading or not in the agility of the various models of F-16, thats according to F-16 pilots too.

The situation you describe seems to me like F-15s being able to pick up the Raptor but not able to recognize it because the radar was not ‘taught’ by system software that this ‘large clutter’ actually was a target. A rather simple software tweak could make much difference.

I don’t think thats correct, from what I understand they, the Eagle pilots had absolutly no idea that anything else was in the airspace around them, as far as they were concerned they were alone up there.

I don’t know why people are making such a big deal about this, if moden high power ground based radar sations can’t defeat these VLO aircraft all that will happen is that the world will go back to saturation anti aircraft gunfire, expensive and dirty yes, but it certainly get the job done when used in sufficient volume.

I don’t know, I can’t imagine masses of KS-19’s all firing away lasting for to long in the modern era with targeting pods and nasty CBU’s. Seems like a recipie for a disaster.

The more assets you have the better. A few unlucky angles and the VLO fighter is going to get detected. Once its position if given away, it’s going to get a lot of more focused assets looking its way.

Again I must stress it is not as easy as that. I am pretty sure Iraqi air defenses must have had a few times or more when a 117 produced a few ‘unlucky angles’ and the VLO was comprimised yet did that allow them to track and shoot it down? No of course not, its alot more complex then you make out, yes they can direct swarms of fighters to go look for it, but unless you know its alt, bearing,speed etc it ain’t gonna be a cake walk to find it, remember 117s flew against Eagles during thier evalutation and could not be spotted even when very close (a few miles). I realise we are not talking about the 117 too but you can use that as a basis to think about how the 35 will be tough to find and eventually destroy. If VLO is no real Challenge why are Russia doing it too, and China – the answer is because its a real headache to those trying to defend against it, as i’m sure America would find out if it went up against a nation with VLO aircraft.

Wrong, in Yugoslavia are two F-117 destroyed. One crashed and one writen-off F-117. That make two F-117 loss in combat.
The crash was the alliance’s first loss in its 5-day-old air campaign against Yugoslavia!

Russia Using F-117 Wreckage for Anti-Stealth

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/12/140853.shtml

I’m sceptical two were destroyed as i have frequently read one damaged and returned to service whilst one was destroyed and your link says no where that two were shot down either. I will eat my words happily if you can prove it for me, without linking to a venick website or similar nonsense and i will say that even if it was two thats two shot down flying thousands of missions in dangerous enviroments, not bad at all and better then traditional aircraft have ever done. Edited because I have just read Teej’s post and theres no need to say anyhting more about the mythical second shoot down.