Thanks for the lecture.:D
LOL!
Well I imagine he thought you needed it and i would agree, considering you think a clean aircraft has stores hanging off it and that you think the F-35 was not designed as a replacement for older legecy aircraft.
As someone else stated before LPI (Low Probability of Interception) is not NPI (No Probability of Interception).
LPI in conjunction with other systems like the AN/ALR-94 EW and offborad sensor data become a much different challenge. From what i understand the AN/ALR-94 would for example pick up the enemys emmsions, geo locate them pretty well then the radar would LPI scan the target every now and then to keep the picture up to date, the radar might quickly flash on and get the speed of the enemy whilst the AN/ALR-94 EW would work on range and bearing etc. Hope that makes sense, maybe someone can elaborate who knows more about it – I know theres gotta be a few posters here who are very well up on how the raptor works its LPI in conjunction with other systems as I am not an expert just an enthusiast.
They aren’t going to supercruise at M1.2 for 2 hours either.:D
Don’t be shocked if LordAssap trys to tell you they can.
The latest HARMS have GPS guidance, and will continue heading to the last location the emission originated from.
With those a flight of say 12 F-16’s carrying 2 harms each would be a real nightmare for any static air defense.
So all the flag wavers for the F-35 on here dont get the same leture from yourself?
Considering we are talking about the F-35 then yes it dosn’t concern me half as much as someone blabbering on about the mighty French and how they do it better at just about everything aerospace related, the topic isn’t about the French jets incase that slipped past you.
No, it is not the same, as your “public flight sim” does use a questionable flight model when it comes to performances, especially when such operations are concerned (partial power operations, supersonic, configured aircraft). At least I haven’t seen any really good models so far.
The F-35 is a balanced design, and as such designers understood that for the mission a supercruise ability would reduce overall performance.
Hard to understand, but that’s the way it is.
Yes obviously the sims are flawed as i stated, however you still get a good idea of the advantages supercruise can bring to the fight over conventional performing jets. I was not referring to the 35 though either in my post but simply commenting on haavarla comment that he thoguht supercruise wasn’t much use.
What that means is that anybody pursuing you would have to use A/B to catch you, putting them in a disadvantage with regard to their fuel state. It also shrinks NEZs for incoming weapons.
You said it far better then my mangled description, thanks.
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NO it wasn’t design to REPLACE anything it was designed around a SET of requierements which lead to design choices.
That proves you have little grasp of what the F-35 was designed for and why. To say it was not designed to replace anything is hilarious to say the least.
Juding from this tread.. Supercruise is somewhat overated.
I don’t know about that, from my own observations playing flight sims, yes public flight sims that its a fantastic ability. Heres my example: Playing Falcon 4 ‘open Falcon’ version (my favourite not AF version) I have headed back from over North Korea after expending my ordnance and dropping my tanks while flying a clean F-16 block 52, i hit the burners with a full load and move up to about M 1.5 and wow the difference is fantastic!
Migs on your tail, are little threat as thier missiles have not the energy to catch you and you’d need to be very close for that to happen, threats can simply be avoided for as long as you have the fuel left in the jet. Now of course that internal fuel on a f-16 at full burner does not last long at all, even at high alt so you don’t get to do it often but yes if you have a jet that supercruises at M1.6 or 1.7 without being on burner it would be a truely awesome advantage i think. I hope you understand where I am coming from and i know my example is based on a publicly available flight sim but the principle is the same.
(and yes i realise flight sim flight models are a bit basic to say the least)
and why should I know when the Chinese are going to schedule the first flight?
Unlike certain countries, China doesn’t make over-optimistic announcements on when their aircraft are flying. In fact they do quite the opposite.. they deny its existence until there’s overwhelming proof in the west and a flood of camera spotters by the air base.See J-10, KJ-2000, etc. China never announced anything about them until later.
If you see a model of a 5th generation Chinese fighter, it is likely that its much further along in progress than people think.
I think thats fair what you have said, it would seem in hindsight a tad embaressing the way the press releases for the PAK-FA have always proved to be incorrect, perhaps keeping silent would have been a better option and then unveil it when its done. No project is perfect though anywhere in the world, every nation makes mistakes and i hope they can learn from it.
Definition of CLEAN again?
I must say though your definition of clean differs from that of everyone elses it would seem. most think clean means nothing hanging off the jet, you seem to think otherwise, which is odd for obvious reasons. I’m sure you will throw up some pretty pictures of the Rafale and maybe the front cover of that Edwards flight manual thing you keep pasting to your posts but yeah like I say the conventional meaning of clean to everyone but you seems to be, well clean as in nothing attached.
Has the EF demonstrated M2 with a combat load? All the stats I’ve seen say that it’s capable of M2 clean, not with 6 AAMs and EFTs. The Rafale and Gripen(and Flanker, etc…) are going to have the same performance limitations of clean vs. combat load. The F-35 and F-22 are going to be able to reach their top speed with combat loads, and have no turning limitations due to external stores.
Not to mention the RCS thats a whole magnitude smaller then the conventional designs with all thier junk hanging under the wings. Also I would really doubt the Typoon with a full combat load hits Mach 2, maybe with like a couple of missiles and no tanks but not with fuel tanks and/or A-G ordnance, I’d be absoltuly stunned if it could hit M2 with a full air to air load.
Sorry but what is that nonsense about fuel? Air combat is not about range course duration. Sure you need some range/endurance but everything depends on the mission and situation! Claiming a fighter with lower fuel load like the Rafale or Typhoon has no chance to deal with a Flanker which holds twice the fuel is nonsense. And drop tanks can be dropped, IF required. BTW do you realise that Flankers typical fuel load isn’t much more than 5 – 6 t? The reason for this is that a fully fueled Flanker is to heavy to perform well.
It is not nonsense at all, fuel = energy, energy that if you want to win you are going to need.
As has already been pointed out, an IADS does not consist of one S-300P/PM/PMU or S-400 system. It consists of multiple batteries all networked together. While you’ll have one or two batteries ‘on watch’ for the target, a sensible procedure would be to have several more in silent configuration waiting for a target to be illuminated by the active one. Once it is it can pop up a salvo of missiles that would be coming completely out of the blue for any attacking aircraft and them probably pack up and move again before anyone has a chance to retaliate.
Wouldn’t the Suter system or one like it be a threat to the network though?
Does your manhood feel threatened?
Care to tell us all where the Flanker has done so fantasticly, oh africa once or twice it shot another jet down and one managed to ram a P-3 once but other then that i’m waiting to hear your list of victory’s the big Sukhoi has chalked up.