Holy Jesus, is this some kind of local obsession? Show me proofs.. sferrin comes in and demands proofs. Scott (read Jon James) comes here and demands proofs. Lawrence demands proofs. wrightwing demands proofs. aurcov wants evidence. Simonds wants proofs.. that is so damn cheap..

Its ok, you can admit you just blurted it out without having any proof and no-one will think any worse of you for it, honesty is an asset not a flaw…

Besides, even a surface explosion on the flight deck would be a “mission kill” for the carrier, which would be crippled and head home.

Depends how thick the deck is I guess, which in a way if thick enough would act as a kind of poor mans armour anyway. Perhaps Jonesy or someone knows how well a carrier is constructed and how tough the deck is after all those jets that land on them these days are pretty heavy so the deck can’t be wafer thin, can it?

Proof of the claim is up to you, go google for the Pogosyan interviews from that airshow. I’d actually like to see them myself again.

Edit: Well look what I found here!

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multimedia/12841-russians-view-f-22-farnborough-flight-demo.html

Thats cool, I wasn’t saying you were telling stories which is why I didn’t bother asking for you to prove it as you seemed pretty confident about it but I guess it doesn’t hurt to link to it either, cheers.

Pogosyan, while at the UK airshow with the F-22, said that “while the SU-35BM isn’t a match for the Raptor, the PAK-FA will be.”

He also claimed he wasn’t impressed by its maneuverability, and said the Su-35BM matched it there.

Well thats good if you have some proper proof to that claim, unlike the childlike abuse from Otaku who couldn’t back his own claim up.
Of course now he has claimed this I can now step in and use the fine logic straight from one of this forum members and say that its garbage, reason being that if a company has to hype up or defend its product its clearly a poor product, after all “The logic is obvious – if something really flies perfectly, then you don’t need to defend it, at all
crap needs marketing.. ” taken from post number 458.

No one has convinced anyone anything. The biggest selling point of the F 16IN is a future upgrade to the F 35. The F 35 is not offered to India as of now because of reasons which include American clearance, time frame for delivery etc. The PAK-FA will give us Indians a good level of ToT which can help the development of MCA. Americans don’t even let the Israelis change the radar so there’s the catch in that. If we select F 16 IN, the F 35 will be a good fall back if **** hits the fan with regards to the MCA/PAK FA. And we can afford to wait for the PAK FA for the latter half of 2010s because the MRCA and MKI will be capable of dealing with every existing threat in the region. We are not going to war with the Americans.

Yes PAK-FA makes more sense to people because of the ToT and experience of co-operating in such a programme.

Us getting or not getting the F 35 won’t change that its a very good aircraft and you won’t see me talking about the ‘inferior flight performance’ of something that is not in service yet. I believe the test pilots some of them very reputed that it handles as good as a clean F 16. That is good enough 😎

By the time you have got your PAK-FA’s the F-35 and F-22 will probably be obsolete and replaced anyway considering the rate of progress on the PAK-FA…

Very logical.

You have to understand that trolling and logic tend not to go hand in hand…

LOL, no. It’s mainly based on the fact how fiercely LM tries to defend the flying abilities of the 35. The logic is obvious – if something really flies perfectly, then you don’t need to defend it, at all 😉

A good thing praises itself alone, crap needs marketing.. My 0.02..

I’m not to sure where Lockheed have ‘defended’ the F-35 flying qualities, I have however seen F-35 test pilots comment on the F-35 flying qualities which are said to be extremely good. No ‘defending’ though but simply just comments and statements like every other manufactuer can and generally does do.
I guess in your strange little world everytime a manufacturer or test pilot comments on an aircraft they talk nothing but raw BS and hype with never a shred of credibility.
Keep on trolling with more nonsense Flex, you’ve come this far no reason to stop now…