Maybe A-6 could dream of as it could carry a greater payload for a greater distance. :diablo:

And it was fully stealth and able to mix it up with enemy fighter jets too? NO.

No, you still missed it. My point was about HOJ as a capability and its specific requirements that some people like to forget or ignore. The EA platforms were just a broad hint.

What point about HOJ as a capability and specific requirement that some people like to forgot or ignore – all you said was and I quote “Man, those Growlers and Ravens are some pretty expensive target drones then.” – how is that talking about any capability and its specific requirements that some people like to forget or ignore. I really am lost as to why you seem to think you went into more detail then you actually did…

Man, those Growlers and Ravens are some pretty expensive target drones then.

They’re fighter jets are they? you know designed with A-A combat in mind? No thought not.

With limited knowledge about EW someone can get that impression. 😉

Well those with arguably the most know how on EW – thats the USAF don’t think EW is the way to go, for blindingly obvious reasons.

Or the F-16s and F-18s, which are still in service and will be a further decade at least. 😉

Quite correct, thats why conventional designs are of little use in the future. 😉

In 1980, part of my job as a young engineer was to watch for anomalies with the F-16’s propulsion and fuel system. It seems a particular Dutch pilot had a bit of a problem with the F100 engine control during a flight and tried to land
in min burner. (The book emergency procedure is to fly to high key, 10K above the runway, and reduce the throttle to idle or OFF if it doesn’t respond, then perform a one circle descending turn to land with the EPU running. But he didn’t follow the book.) He held it on the ground but the tail hook skipped over the wire, the airplane went off the departure end of the runway and hit a wall. Fortunately, he ejected as the airplane was zorching through the grass before hitting the wall. The airplane was a total loss.

Less than a week later, the same Dutch pilot was practicing ACM over the North Sea and missed the bingo fuel annunciation. The F100 quit, as they tend to do when starved of fuel, and the pilot enjoyed another nylon let down. I don’t know if the F-16 was ever fished out of the sea.

How the hell did he manage to miss the bingo call out, did he turn the ‘bitchin betty’ thing off?

This thread has became a trolling Woodstock with you in the lead, any discussion is a complete waste of time.

Did you even attempt to read what djcross wrote before you pounced ?

That is 3 during 10 years of operational service. The dutch on the other hand recieved 102 F-16 and after 20 years of operational service has 86 left. Try to do the math.

Sounds like the Dutch make quite terrible pilots.