Originally posted by matt
Hmm come on!So the fact that the mig was a unstable and hard airplane to fly in the first place has nothing to do with it?
lol i like that.
IAF needed BAE Hawk AJT in 1985!! Step from trainers now til MIG any model too large to make securely
Hey !
Je pense 1er Avril 2002
lol
and French in Cote d’Ivoire are NATO control !!
NO !!
troll with two heads be more clear !
Hey !
know you not where Austria is troll ?
State Balkans is neighbour to southeast !
Austria see Rafale and say “merci non”
He tourist Club Med pay him no mind.
Austria AF is fine, very many modern AB412 helicos and 9 Blackhawks brand new.
Is this 1950something MIG 21 who swallow a Hawk 200 ?
Very ugly and very pointless plan. Scrap him before he walks.
Slovakia and Hungary is not so good for now.
Austria is country independent in unstable region. Good for them they choose EF to replace the Dragons SAAB.
Interesting essay but hot air filled and already out of date in case of weapons integration especially. If this is so big a problem as he claims then Poles may as well admit they have no aircraft nato capable today ! how is it then Sukhoi 22 squadrons are nato assets ! so how are they in nato now !
Also strange is the reason to chose against Gripen that Sweden will not develop any combat planes in future. This is ridiculous point to make as the choice was for 2002/3 not 2032/3 !! No single nation in Europe will make combat airplanes alone in future as r&d is too costly.
F-16 combat record is immaterial unless you have all assets available as US and Israel do in support. Did F-16 fly CAP package too ? No ! F-15 did. Did F-16 fly ECM too ? No ! EA-6 did. Has Poland buying F-15 and EA-6 too ? No !
What combat record has F-16 only Air Force got ? None. It is immaterial.
F/A-22 has no combat record either so why buy him ?
Irish Air Corps is not for air defence or offence. It is internal corps so not useless when you compare this against its stated doctrine.
Originally posted by ELP
Still don’t know all the quirks of the JSF ( sensitive maintenance intensive stealth coating like a B2? ) ( real world use ) I think for some of the customers EF2000 is more than enough, especially if you aren’t into expeditionary warfare. Make the next leap ahead for high risk offensive strike by fielding an X-45 like, UCAV air frame. Much lower peace time operating costs than a JSF and in many cases just as much offensive strike punch vs. high risk targets and no aircrew risk. That combined with the Euro cruise missles that EF2000 will carry and you will be in great shape with a good team ( EF2000 and UCAV )
Yes, I am agreeing.
Tranche 2 EF2000 will be multirole 2 seats of higher standard than specified for now and Tranche 3 will instead be UCAV for UK.
It is between the lines in white paper yesterday !
5,000 pounds internal fuel load equals 100km combat range ???
what nonsense is this !!!
it is not a Yankie car Cadillac with 1km/litre consumption !!
Distiller is very funny TV evangelist !
Originally posted by seahawk
There is no IRIS-T on Rafale in the foreseeable future. France is prefering the MICA IR.
EF avec IRIS-T beat Rafale avec MICA IR in 90% engagements
Originally posted by flex297
If Poles were rally striving for independence, why did they choose US influence, then? Do you really think people like Bush’s administration will EVER treat them as even?Flex
there was opinion poll in Poland, who see themselves as Yankie wannabes from Hollywood films and McDonalds commercials.
also remember please biggest city of Poles out of Warsawa is Chicago.
if they are stupid enough to look beyond Europe for influence is for debate but then they should go to Yankies with begging bowl for every penny and not to EU.
Originally posted by flex297
***I don’t know how many hours Russian aircrew get for training but I’m reasonably sure they don’t get as much time as NATO pilots do.***I am no expert on this but I have heard from several sources that the calculation of the flight hours is different for NATO and Russia. From my interviews with Russian and Slovak pilots I know that the calculation of flying hours for Russian pilots starts after all landing gear wheels have lift off the runway while NATO calculation includes preflight checking and other activities, as well. Thus, the difference might become smaller, then.. Could someone with more knowledge elaborate on this?
Flex
fly time is calculated from brakes off to brakes on. that does not include preflight checks.
what you say about all landing gear lifting off is not true; how would it be possible to measure this fact – old guy with stop watch at piste ?
Originally posted by Phil Foster
Fair enough but they didn’t in 1939, they didn’t deserve it in 1939 and the USSR was not occupied by the Poles for 50+ years. The point I am trying to make is that this isn’t anctient history to the Poles, not who was to blame or for what.:)
but what has that got to do with the Poles not buying Gripen? Zero