About the modernization of 5 destroyers of class 1155 Udaloy and one of 1155.1 from ASW to multirole equipped with VLS launchers

Against boats is: “Udaloy” will be a shock
The first updated “protivolodochnyi” will give the Navy to the end of this year

Navy until the end of 2019 will get upgraded large anti-submarine ships (BPK) project 1155 “Udaloy”. They have good handling characteristics, however, were built specifically as BOD and therefore is able to effectively destroy the enemy submarine, but are unable to strike the land, and are vulnerable to missiles and aircraft. During upgrade, all these gaps will be filled. The first updated “Swashbuckling” is already preparing for the transfer of the Navy.
New electronic components will transfer the air defense system and update the anti-submarine complex BOD — in particular, to establish a modern hydro-acoustic station, told “Izvestia” in the main Command of the Navy. In the course of modernization “Swashbuckling” get launchers for cruise missiles “Caliber” and X-35. “Caliber” have a range of approximately 1.4 thousand km of small altitude flight and precision navigation system make them invisible for the most high-tech means of detection. They can also strike at ground targets. Kh-35 is subsonic low-altitude anti-ship missiles designed to destroy ships with displacement of up to 5 thousand tons of a Range of applications up to 260 km.
The first upgraded ship will be the BOD “Marshal Shaposhnikov”, which is planned to transfer the Navy to the end of the year.
Ultra-reliable and unpretentious
Total project 1155 “Udaloy” was built 12 BOD. Now the fleet of eight such ships. “Vice-Admiral Kulakov”, “Severomorsk” and “Admiral Levchenko” is assigned to the 14th brigade anti-submarine ships of the Northern fleet. In the 36th division of surface ships of the Seaside flotilla of the Pacific fleet are “Admiral Vinogradov”, “Admiral Panteleev” and “Admiral Tributs”. BOD “Admiral Kharlamov” is in the sump, and the “Marshal Shaposhnikov” is being upgraded. Ship project 1155.1 “Admiral Chabanenko” Northern fleet is also located at the shipyard — he will get more weapons.
Hope for a series for the Russian Navy laid several new ships
Will the President’s attention to the replenishment of the Russian fleet
“Daring” was a technically advanced vehicles: gas turbine power plant allowed us to avoid many of the problems arising in the operation of boiler-turbine systems.
BOD armed with a hydroacoustic complex “Polynomial”, anti-submarine missile complex “Bell-B”, is able to strike the whole surface, and air defense systems near zone “Dagger”. Artillery armament of the ship — 100-mm, 45-mm and 30-mm automatic guns. On Board, hangars for two helicopters Ka-27 anti-submarine version.
The imbalance in weaponry arose from the fact that in the 1970s due to the overall on-Board equipment, it was decided to separate the functions of the universal ship between specialized: shock was the destroyer project 956 “Modern” and anti — BPK 1155 “Udaloy” with powerful sonar.
The storm pirates
“Swashbuckling” was successfully translated many of the achievements of Soviet shipbuilding, said the former chief of naval staff Admiral Valentin Selivanov.
— Many of them in service for over 35 years, and doubt that after the upgrade they will last a long time, is not necessary, — he told “Izvestia”. — BOD of this project I visited all oceans, including the Arctic. Went to the Caribbean — particularly Cuba. They have a powerful anti-submarine armament. And the emergence of new missile systems will seriously expand their combat capabilities.
These BOD she has participated in humanitarian operations outside the territorial waters of Russia. In 1990, the “Marshal Shaposhnikov” evacuated in Abu Dhabi and Aden Soviet citizens from Ethiopia, where there was a civil war. Him and BOD “Admiral Panteleyev”, “Admiral Levchenko”, “Admiral Vinogradov” and “Admiral Chabanenko” were sent to the Gulf of Aden to combat Somali pirates that Russia actively conducted 10 years ago.
There are “Marshal Shaposhnikov” and was nicknamed “the storm pirates”: in may 2010, the crew freed the tanker Moscow University, which pirates seized off the island of Socotra in the Arabian sea. A quick assault on the tanker with the Marines aboard the BOD was successful: after the shooting, Russian soldiers took the ship under control and disarmed the criminals. According to the official version, the Somalis were released, landed in an inflatable boat with a supply of food and water.
BOD project 1155 for years are the backbone surface forces, considered the most popular ships of the Navy, said military expert Dmitry Boltenkov.
— The upgrades will make “Merry” from specialized to multipurpose ships, he said. Now they can attack and sea and ground targets of the enemy. BOD is able to carry on Board two helicopters, not one, as the cruisers of the project “Atlas”, — these include, for example, “Varyag”. It will enable ships of the “Daring” for many years to remain a formidable force.
Now the Navy pays special attention to combating Maritime groups. The target ships will direct the aircraft: the aircraft can not only provide early warning of the appearance of the enemy, but also to give targeting for cruise missiles, air defense systems s-400, s-500 and ship anti-aircraft missiles. MiG-29КР and MiG-29КУБР have already received information exchange system, su-33 preparing for modernization.

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Good points.

I don’t doubt and am not disputing that catapults are the most capable method of launching aircraft from a carrier. My point is that the dismissal of STOBAR is a cliche repeated in the media without anybody making even some numbers. And in particular, the fact that newer planes with higher TWR force a radical change of this paradigm.

For instance, take that tool with the weight and thrust characteristics of a Su-33. The aero will need to remain the same since I don’t have the data the author uses for the Flanker, but I think this is not too crazy as a first approach since:

> Both planes are 4G supersonic fighters with similar aero layouts and adapted for naval use.
> On the safety margin side, the Flanker has canards.
> Su-33’s landing speed of 130 kts is significantly lower than the 165 kts taken as safe flight speed for the Hornet. Not sure of the same value for the F-18 but have read 142 kts.

Well, if you put all that data on the tool (MTOW 72,750 lb, thrust 2 x 28,214 lbf) and try to take off from the short runs ca. 100 long, you get as a result that the plane would crash. From the long runs (ca. 195 m) the take off would be smooth, with a marked height gain in every moment.

Now, what if VMF gets serious with their intention of modernising the Su-33 and decides to re-engine them with their best available unit, the AL-41F1 (I remind, the F1S was actually developed as an export version). We would have a total thrust of 66,000 lbf and that would radically change the result. The plane could take off form the short runs ca. 100 long with a minimum height during the trajectory of 3 m above the ramp until reaching stable flight.

So, TWR’s effect on the performance of this type of take off is actually very big. It makes sense to think that this “STOBAR cannot compete with CATOBAR” cliche developed when the fighters did not have very powerful engines, nowadays the situation has changed and the capability of STOBAR has moved closer to that of the CATOBAR.

Thinking further, to an admittedly speculative scenario with a Su-57K, 35 T MTOW, 2 x 12 Tf (“optimistic” dry) thrust. Such plane could take off smoothly from the long runs on military settings, not even needing to turn on afterburners at full load.

EDIT: even more relevant tactically, a hypothetical Su-57K with second stage engines of very high dry thrust (comparable to F-119, as needed to be an effective supercruiser) could take off from short runs with a normal TOW of 60000 lb (>27 T) from the short runs on military settings too. The adoption of VCE or low bypass ratio engines needed to supercruise can therefore be transformational to the STOBAR performance, since newer engines could have dry thrust close to that of legacy engines in full afterburning mode.

To your comments:

The WOD assumptions are “ahem” optimistic.

Why? They consider 20 kts for the carrier + 10 kts wind. A carrier can develop 30 kts on its own, so this WOD speed would be ultimately guaranteed even in total absence of natural wind

The simulation does not take into account the fact that at times the deck may very well be pointed down in a swell, even “shooters” on a cat carrier try to time launch on an upswell (not always successfully). A loss of altitude off the ramp would never be within safety parameters for normal operation.

The simulation I see on the page for the F-18 has no loss of altitude, in fact a net gain of 8 m above the deck and 3 m above the ramp before stable flight. Let us not forget that in fact STOBAR adds more than 5 m altitude to the flight trajectory of the launched plane, which goes in the way of adding safety to the operation as you deem necessary.

no Rhino would/could operate at max GW off a ski jump.

Well, the simulation shows it could actually do it.

1. Sortie rate- even the CdG with its 2 cats would be able to put more aircraft in the air faster than a larger STOBAR carrier due to a larger staging area, forget a Nimitz.

Agreed, but only if the long runs that cross the staging area are needed. See above, no need for them if TWR is a bit higher. And then the simplicity of the unassisted take-off would in fact get the sortie rate increased. Of course, a Nimitz class with four catapults would still be faster than a standard STOBAR with just two positions at the bow. But since the use of the four catapults precludes parallel landings, maybe the third, long position on the STOBAR could be used for comparison too. I don’t see a difficulty in fact to increase the number of launch positions on a STOBAR (blast deflector and wheel blocks are the only needed elements if I am not wrong), while in CATOBAR this is much more complicated.

2. Adverse weather or tropical conditions- in poor wind conditions a STOBAR carrier would not generate sufficient WOD to launch heavily loaded aircraft safely. Ditto for tropical conditions that rob engine power. Add in the issue of pitching deck mentioned above.

First, to de-compound the problem, tropical conditions with no wind would not be concurrent with pitching deck. Then, as said above the needed WOD speed of 30 kts can be guaranteed by the carrier, do you agree? Would need to check the effects of temperature on engine power though, have no numbers right now.

3. Limits the AEW aircraft to rotary wing (or something like the V-22 AEW concept), not to mention COD which comes in handy moving critical items to a carrier.

This is apparently another myth, the Yak-44 was capable of operating from STOBAR. Have no hard data on this one, just references from Russian sources I consider serious. But a low subsonic plane has no big problems to have very high L/D and very low min speeds, unlike supersonic fighter jets do. Besides, the tiltrotor solution is also a possibility now both for AWACS and for COD as you mention.

As said, those limitations you point out are getting blurrier day after day. What I could in any case agree is that future needs like U(C)AVs used as tankers, are going to need help of catapults in order to maximize the amount of fuel they can get in the air. So if possible, CATOBAR should be preferred, but in case it is too complex or expensive, STOBAR in the short to medium term can be made almost equally as effective IMO while being way simpler and more reliable.

Projects of promising aircraft carrier and amphibious assault ship for the Russian Navy will show on the “Army-2019”

In Krylovskaya state research centre added that the draft of the destroyer “Leader” after modification can be adapted to create a cruiser

SAINT PETERSBURG, may 29. /TASS/. Krylov state research center (SSC) plans to present at the forum “Army-2019” projects of non-nuclear aircraft carrier with a displacement up to 70 thousand tons, landing ships and destroyers of the “Leader”. Told about this TASS Deputy General Director of the center Valery Polyakov.

“To “Army-2019” will showcase three models of non-nuclear aircraft carrier to 70 thousand tons, which will provide the most effective starting position, to increase the intensity of launching planes, landing ship with a displacement area 25 to 27 thousand tons, the destroyer “Leader”, – said the Poles.

He also confirmed that the draft of the destroyer “Leader” after modification can be adapted to the creation of the cruiser.

Forum “Army-2019” will be held from 25 to 30 June in the Congress and exhibition center “Patriot” in the Moscow region, the exhibition event will be held in other regions of Russia. According to preliminary estimates, participation in the forum on the territory of the Russian Federation will take more than 1500 companies and organizations, representing over 27 thousand samples of products and technologies.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6483509

Comment from my side: we are talking here about proposals from Krylov, the naval state research center, that may act as guidelines or references for possible designs that design bureaus (probably Nevskoye) would take care of. So nothing official then, but very interesting in any case, since the mission of Krylov is to lay down the basic scientific and conceptual work for future units of the fleet. I hope we will see a carrier and maybe a LHD based on their new hull. And since the plans for the major surface units are concreting (i.e. Krylov plans to show a carrier with 70 kT in line with VMF preferences leaked by TASS) and scheduled start of works on actual designs is drawing near, I assume the designs Krylov will show should be already reasonably realistic.

Good video of the MiG-35, including the production line:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aNv7pEW5AE

Which forum about you are talking?

Superhornet has around 0,5-1 m2 but it is on clean configuration, not in real world with payload. So i guess it will be maybe 2 or 3 m2 with all load, same story for eurocanards. Su-57 will be around 0,1-0,5 m2 frontal RCS (Butowski told 0.3 frontal RCS on its book), but maybe they can reduce some these numbers. We need wait and see first production Su-57 if it take some improvement or it is same like last prototypes.

This is (in my opinion) a complete misunderstanding of the project and the statements of authoritative sources. You don’t need Butowski’s book if you have the chief designer saying they have similar requirements to the F-22 and assessing that plane’s RCS around 0.3 – 0.4 sqm. Is this compatible with an all-around average, irrespective what the lowest frontal value is? Are we sure what measurement conditions they consider, and what band? Then why to disregard the statements of the project’s top technical responsible so lightly, when they also correspond with the values stated in the patent?

Consider what Russia wants with this project and what were the references at the time of setting it up:

> If LO or VLO is considered as useful, then why to invest all the time and money in creating the shaping, materials, production technologies, maintenance considerations, operational doctrine, supporting assets etc etc just to get the performance of a SH?
> The frontal RCS values you mention are for planes without any essentially different shaping considerations to classic 4G examples, apart from the SH intakes. It makes no sense to consider a plane shaped so obviously for VLO as the Su-57 will get such poor values in probably the most tactically relevant aspect.
> The reference when the project was created was the F-22. It is only logical to aim for a RCS in the ball park of that plane, at least in the tactically relevant aspects, with all due uncertainties about what is the exact value but also with all the insights and safety margins the best experts can consider. It makes no sense to create an answer to a foreign plane and fall so far behind form the start, it would be wasting money.
> RCS measurements make more sense for Russian military considering averages, since they work with an IADS. No plane will be able to be exactly head-on with all the radars in theater, so such values as published in the West are impressive and a good PR tool but largely irrelevant if you are being illuminated from several, non optimal directions. In particular all the directions perpendicular to the main alignment planes of the airframe will reflect strongly, and you cannot achieve this scattered radiation to be sent back in arbitrarily narrow cones.

Some people simply like indulging themselves into thinking than Russian experts have their logical minds upside down. That is not the case. To understand what they do you must actually think they will do what is best for them. Seems logical but interestingly it is incompatible with the predominating agenda-based thinking where US is always right and Russia always wrong, that is why all the Western “experts” in the media are failing so miserably to forecast the project’s developments, time after time. With the US military it is a bit different though. They are painting their aggressor squadrons with the colours of the Su-57, requesting modernized air targets and reduced development cycles for air superiority platforms (NGAD case is specially obvious) with the the same key characteristics of the Sukhoi, all while their media is proclaiming the death of the program. Just the usual fog of war, only no one relevant in the matter is being fooled by it.

Russian Aerospace Defense Forces to get 20 Su-35S fighter jets by end of 2020

Su-35 fighter jets are manufactured by the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant

KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR, May 29. /TASS/. Russian Aerospace Defense Forces will get 20 Su-35S fighter jets of the 4++ generation by the end of 2020, Deputy Defense Minister Alexey Krivoruchko said on Wednesday during his visit to the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant.
“The plant is following the plan with Su-35 manufacturing, and we expect to get several aircraft even ahead of time this year. In accordance with the current contract, we expect another 20 Su-35S fighter jets this year and next year,” Krivoruchko said.
He noted that the aircraft plant works on modernizing this type of fighter jet, including on the basis of the Syrian combat experience. In particular, next modernized versions of Su-35S will be able to use all types of air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1060557

If Russian scientists were really that worried about their stealth features they could always go to that certain aviation forum and the users there can help them design the SU-57. Open source intelligence is not that difficult they could have further modified the aircraft’s physical features to meet the expectations of that certain aviation forum but I suggest they have their reasons.

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Pretty much

This kind of belief is simply embarrassing. The guys and scientific institutions developing the stealth on the Su-57 are the same ones that devised PTD on the first place and the world’s leading experts in anti air defences. One would expect a bit of humbleness from anybody judging their work, but now any run-of-the-mill internet enthusiast thinks he is capable of schooling them. In “that” forum they have concluded the RCS level of the Su-57 is in level with a F-18… And in the media similar arguments are peddled without a shred of criticism. It is simply pathetic.

I repeat: they have no values, no access to the doctrinal principles of the plane’s use, nothing. Not understanding a design is not the same as that design being rubbish. So I will keep calling out those without the intellectual integrity to admit they cannot groundless pontificate about Su-57’s RCS without any other argument than their beliefs.

Several news today about the Ka-52… apparently 30 additional are going to be delivered until 2022 and from that year, 114 units of a modernized Ka-52M will be sourced:

Russia’s Aerospace Force will get additional 30 Kamov Ka-52 ‘Alligator’ combat helicopters by 2022, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said on Tuesday.

The Russian defense official made this statement as he visited the Progress Aviation Enterprise, the producer of Ka-52 gunships.
“Today the factory is fulfilling a long-term contract for the delivery of Ka-52 reconnaissance and attack helicopters. By 2022, we expect to get additional 30 helicopters, including eight rotorcraft by the end of this year,” the deputy defense minister said.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1060360

Russia’s upgraded Ka-52 helicopter to get more capabilities to hit air and ground targets The upgraded version of the Ka-52 attack helicopter would be created by 2022.

MOSCOW, May 28. /TASS/. The upgraded Ka-52M ‘Alligator’ combat helicopter will get more capabilities for using weapons against targets in the air and on the ground, the press office of Russian Helicopters rotorcraft maker said in a press release circulated on Tuesday.
“Work is underway to further increase the range of detecting and identifying targets and, correspondingly, to boost the capabilities of employing weapons against both ground and air targets,” the press office quoted Russian Helicopters CEO Andrei Boginsky as saying in a comment on improvements in the upgraded version.
On the instruction from Russia’s defense minister, work has been carried out to modernize electro-optical systems for the Ka-52M helicopter and it has already proven its worth, Boginsky said.
“Also, in cooperation with other enterprises, we are working on the issue of increasing the helicopter’s armored protection and renewing its power supply system. The second task is to standardize air-launched weapons with our other helicopters of the Mi family,” the chief executive said.
Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said earlier on Tuesday that Russia’s top brass planned to sign a contract in 2020 on purchasing 114 upgraded Ka-52M attack helicopters, The Russian defense official made this statement as he visited the Progress Aviation Enterprise in the Primorye Region, the producer of Ka-52 ‘Alligator’ attack helicopters.
“We expect to sign a new contract already next year on 114 modernized Ka-52M helicopters,” the deputy defense minister said.
As the defense official specified, the upgraded version of the Ka-52 attack helicopter, the Ka-52M, would be created by 2022. The experimental design work on the upgraded helicopter will take into account Russia’s combat experience in Syria, he added.
The Ka-52M will get new power supply and target acquisition systems. Also, following the requirements of Russia’s Defense Ministry, the helicopter’s protection will be enhanced considerably, Krivoruchko said.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1060437