S-400 integrated with Kolchuga or Vega systems(passive detection) can stop used to detect and bring down F-22 / or other Stealth Systems …

If the outdated Russian tech diesel generator doesn’t fail and the whole “air defense complex” sits there in the dark.
What was the range again, 5000km against a 0.000001 sqm target with a 110% kill ratio?

I always wondered about this. so, are you suggesting that the two are equivalent turnfight-wise? and what about the Gripen’s maneuverability? and the J-10’s?

The Typhoon’s domain is the high altitude supersonic arena. There it is superior to all aircraft except the F-22 (while nobody really knows). When it comes to turning in subsonic region (where you’ll find the corner velocity of most jets), they are all basically same league. But in that arena not much has happened since in the mid 1970ies the YF-16 set the mark. The Suchoi 35 might have some advantages in very low airspeed situations, but many features like the TVC are primarily there to compensate for the tremendous weight (compare OEW: YF-16 7, Gripen 7, F-16C 8, Rafale 11, Typhoon 12, F-15 13, F-35 14 (??), F-22 20, Suchoi 35 20).
Some people might notice the connection between weight and TVC.

SAY WHO?

EADS commercials? Rafale and Typhoon have the SAME corner speed and this is from a Typhoon pilot, i.e Tarnished.

Please cut it. 😎

Turning at corner speed isn’t exactly bright.
A good Typhoon pilot will enter and exit an engagement with the Mach needle above 1. Something neither the Rafale nor the Suchoi 35 can realistically do.

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An F/A-380? Sounds like a good idea. Can score a kill by wake vortex! :diablo:

It would appear that Russian Crack is 2 to 4 times as effective too.:cool:

You must know that the variables becomes constants in Soviet Russia. In order to have physics still work the constants need to be variable. As I said, if dear leader wants to tell his people that radar range of the mighty defense system has increased by 20% last year, he wants that to be true. In order to fulfill that wish … order, the average Kilometer is now 20% shorter.
Another advantage: the kingdom growths each year.

So every time a new improvement comes out, every piece of Russian equipment in their inventory is upgraded to the new standard? That would seem to be rather expensive no?

As has been mentioned, the word effective is not synonomous with range. All it means is that under the same conditions, the likelihood of a kill has been increased. This may be for any number of reasons.

The equipment in the inventory is so fearful of Mr Putin that it dutifully updates itself.

Size = more room – more room for larger radar, multiple radars, more weapons.

Larger radar = better target = earlier detection by foe.

Larger engines = more power = more power for radar.

Larger engine = more fuel consumption = better IR-signature.

AKA, more room to expand. Mind-blowing concept here.

20t OEW, the heaviest fighter of modern history and completely oversized for most missions. Especially for dogfight unsuitable as largest target in the sky.

just because the EF doesn’t do stunts doesn’t mean it’s inferior.

The interesting maneuvering takes place at speeds in excess of M0.8. The Eurofighter can sustain high turn rates at transonic and supersonic speed, something only matched by the F-22. Low speed turning is maybe better in a Suchoi 35, but that feature is rather an insult than a bonus for a modern combat aircraft.

=SOCWhat makes you think everyone else isn’t also being fooled by EADS marketing information?

We still have BAe Systems and Alenia.

He said, “If you encounter a SU-27 in a dogfight the only thing you can do is eject.”

Or killing the other fighter way before you can see the white of the eye of the pilot. That is what F-22 and F-35 are designed for.

Being superior in a dogfight is one thing, but getting there in the first place is another issue.

By the way: the Eurofighter is even better in all terms of performance than the Suchoi 35, and different to that aircraft was tested against the F-22. Results are classified I guess, but so much is known: when it gets to knife fight the advantages of EM-stealth are gone.