Of note, the fuselages of all later Falcons were wider than that of CTM. All the drawings I know of, of Falcon’s are of the later 3 a’s. The wing span remained the same on the prototype, M.3, M.3a and M.3b so this suggests to me that the M3 cabin with it’s single pilots seat perhaps tapered forwards from the rear of the cabin.
John
I think G ACTM most likely started out as a Hawk Major and was modified. I know the Hawk and the Falcon had very similar wings and tail surfaces There is Hawk in canada that flew with the outer wings off a Falcon 6. Im very familiar with the later production Falcons (one of them anyway!) and from these photos to me the fuselage on G ACTM looks a bit hodge podge.. Did G ACTM have a single seat in the rear too? …are there drawings of the falcons in existance? I did some CAD based ones based on measurements i took that im happy to share. I was always under the impression that not much was left of Miles from this period.
Cheers
Michael
Thanks for this!
Interesting photo…. What is said to have been the fate of G ACTM? (and its owner)
regards
Michael
Peter,
Thanks for posting these! i had not seen any of these images at all. the prototype falcons fuselage looked quite a bit different to the production version. I wonder why so few pictures seem to exist of this particular aircraft.
cheers
Michael
I do remember reading in an interview with a Cessna engineer that the idea for a center thrust twin (push pull) came from the Dornier 335 hence the Cessna 336 and 337
love Miles Aircraft but i really wish this silly conspiracy would die i think the biggest factor leading to the cancellation of the M52 was Geoffrey DeHavilland jnr’s fatal crash in the DH swallow a few months before..Bureaucrats are naturally risk adverse and they could probably see it happening again killing another one of Britains top pilots. The M52 was more complicated than the X1 and there was a high likelihood it would have had teething problems and the Americans still might have beat them. finally NACA had managed to develop and operate a supersonic wind tunnel (of which data they shared with the British) in early 1948 thus making both the X1 and M52 somewhat redundant Lockheeds Kelly Johnson was quite dismissive of the whole Xplane program (there were no Lockheed research or X aircraft)…he said while they were playing around with useless research aircraft in the desert his team was already working on what would become the F104 and U2. Finally being first hardly gave Bell Aircraft any great advantage they made one more fixed wing aircraft the X2 and that was it….had they not been involved in rotor wings they would have gone the way of miles aircraft for certain.
No Kestrel/ Master drawings sorry
I have begun making up Cad drawings of the Falcon Based off Measurements and photos of VH AAT a miles falcon here in Australia.
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Ref Drawings.
I do have a large collection of Falcon and Hawk (Sparrowhawk / Speed Six ) drawing which came from the Factory and PPS.
Civil Aero,
What format are these in ? are they originals? Would be very interested in seeing these! particularly the Falcon Drawings.
Hi Keith
Did you do the FS models of the Miles Falcon? They’re Excellent! im keen on anything you have to share and can read Autocad files too
cheers
Michael
Three points. Firstly, I disagree that the stresses imposed on either old musical instruments or furniture are commensurate with those imposed on the glued joints of a flying wooden aeroplane. Secondly, old musical instruments and furniture do not need to fly and have not flown. Thirdly, neither old musical instruments nor furniture need to support human beings whose safety will be imperilled if their glued joints fail in flight. I think your analogy is a rather like chalk and cheese. A wooden aeroplane with casein glued joints is fine in a museum – like old musical instruments and antique furniture – but not acceptable for flight.
with all due respect in structural engineering all that matters is stress, strain and load….the fact that one object flies and the other doesn’t, does not effect the structural mechanics either way. Unless you have done the stress analysis you cant really tell and i think you may be surprised!.
I don’t know much about the world of Stradivarius violins but from the violins i have examined up close it would be very difficult to pull them apart and reglue them without destroying all the wood…and im guessing a Stradivarius that has had the glue and wood replaced is probably not considered a proper Stradivarius any more. Furthermore any minute changes in the structure of these antique instruments would be audible to those who play them for a living probably rendering them unplayable.
I guess im trying to understand by what mechanism does casein cement break down over time? assuming the wood structure is kept bacteria and fungus free at a relatively constant moisture and temperature? I know different size pieces of the same type of wood will expand and contract at different rates depending on how they are cut with respect to the grain and this can cause working of the joint when you have two dissimilar shaped pieces glued together (eg spar web and cap). wouldn’t this be a problem with aerodux as well? what is it exactly that prevents aerodux from breaking down?
Its highly likely the aircraft when she was rebuilt used Aerodux glue throughout. If so and stored as she was in a well aired garage the structure should be fine. Obviously a very thorough check was required and all inspection hatches will have been removed and possibly small areas of fabric to inspect the timbers below. Casein glue from the 30’s whilst fine at the time suffers from the ravages of time, hats why wooden aircraft in the early 60’s Miles, Percival etc were grounded in large numbers. The cost of opening up the spars and a major airframe check or full rebuild was well in excess of the aircraft’s value, the flood of new metal types from the US meant most were broken up or burnt.
Had Aerodux been available in the 30’s there would likely be dozens more Miles and Percival types around today rather then the mere handful left.
Is this really the case? is there any hard data to back this? there are very valuable musical instruments and antique furniture several hundreds of years old held together with casein cement. The stresses and strains found in parts of these instruments and furniture would be approaching that found in the spars of some of these early light aircraft. There was a problem with the early synthetic glues (urea formaldehyde) which was used in many post war light aircraft such as the miles messenger and percival proctor. i have a keen interest in this topic! truth is there a few engineers around with much knowledge of this stuff nowadays…
Added some more photos!
http://caseyairfield.blogspot.com.au/
do many pre war miles drawings exist ?
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AAT flying around Casey late 90’s
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AAT in the Hangar a few weeks ago
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Arthur Schutts AAS in 1938
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Young LK Hatfield about to flying in hawk AAH
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AAT when it first arrived at Casey in 1977 with former owner (back in the 50’s) Arthur Schutt