(have you seen how flexible that Danish mount is?! It should be a doddle to fit Sylvers there, as to size of Sylvers I honestly could not say)
Stanflex Mk56 is about 3m high, and already extends over the “edge” of the weapons deck. Even a Sylver A35 on a Stanflex platform (for CAMM, if it fits in A35) would be about a meter higher. Sylver A70 would rise to like two-thirds the height of the mast.
And let’s not even talk about weights… five fully loaded A70 with SCALP or A50 with Aster 30 would probably compact the decks beneath a bit :diablo:
Two Mk8 forward? Would require strengthening the B position considerably first.
Firing missiles through the side doors? I presume you mean the covers over the torpedo positions of the Absalon. Well, if we unbalance the design with about 10 tons of ablative armour plating on either side of the ship, and removal of some walls… guess it could work.
Obvious solution: variable-distance decoys, if aerodynamically possible.
Shouldn’t actually be that much of a problem to trail it variably 50, 100 or 150m behind the aircraft, if built for that.
But no European city has been struck by a ballistic missile since 1945.
Technically, i have to disagree. Russia used 9K79 SRBM in both Czechnya (also Scuds, at Itum Vale) and Georgia. Other than that, it depends on whether you’d see Lampedusa as part of Europe or Africa (Scuds in 1986).
The Austrian government protested each time.
Makes me wonder what would have happened if Austria switched on some tracking radars at such points. Then again, they didn’t (and don’t) have any groundbased air-defence above Mistral missiles and Skyguard systems; in comparison to that however, their air surveillance systems are excellent.
Still, just having any sensor ghosts of F-117 flying on predictable paths for study would have been… interesting. Perhaps a few “mock” intercepts by Draken too, just for study purposes of course. :diablo:
Helicopters would be good choice too. And in Djibouti there is a modern military base which would be more than sufficient for such an operation.
The “affected area” is defined by NATO as a zone of 2000 by 500 nautic miles. Far too big and spread out to be patrolled by land-based helicopters. Actually, would even be quite a large operational area for fighter jets.
This is of course why P-3 Orions are used. Five or six of them at the moment (US, Spanish, the German one just returned). More would be nice, but then again, not everyone has ’em.
In theory, the 10 French Mirage 2000s in Djibouti could also be used, but they’re mostly there to keep an eye on Sudan.
I think Germany is about the only state ever to put stuff straight off the production line into depots for wartime reserve. And that’s what you’d basically sink it into with AT choppers, especially if you’re not exactly overflowing with pilots.
As for the price of a Leo 2, Canada paid US$ 5.7 million per unit for A5/A7 (and around 2.5 million apiece for the leased A6M). A4 can be considerably cheaper.
There quite simply was never much of a selection. The dedicated AT copter – outside the US Army, and, to a very limited extent the Soviet Union – is a post-Cold-War implementation.
The “AT copters” of the 80s in Europe, other than the Apache and Cobra, were all “multi-role” systems. Lynx, Gazelle, Bo-105, Hueys of various kinds in the West; Hoplite, Hip and Hind in the East.
Those countries that actually developed AT copters post-cold-war use them as much in an armed recon and general fire support role.
An AT copter by itself is next to useless in peacetime. If you can finance and support less than 20 helicopters, you’d want to actually be able to use every single one of them. The only country out of the named ones with more helos is Sweden really (Norway has more, but not for the Army).
Macman:
There’s a difference between “stationing” and “deployment”. There are plenty of troops stationed nominally in Europe and deployed to Iraq.
http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/MILITARY/history/hst0803.pdf
This is the pdf referenced in wikipedia, which gives 56,000 US service members stationed in Germany (March 2008).
The same pdf notes explicitly on page 4 that all troop contingents for OIF and OEF are included within stationing numbers elsewhere, and gives originating stations. From Germany, there are 14,200 service members deployed, bringing the troops actually deployed in Germany to 42,000; out of 84,000 service members nominally stationed in Europe, 67,000 are actually deployed there (this of course changes with troop rotations in OIF/OEF).
Current US planning (since 2004) is to reduce this to a permanent presence of roughly 40-45,000 in Europe – 28-30,000 in Germany – originally planned for 2010-2011, but now postponed until 2012-2013 among other things due to a lack of onsite housing in CONUS bases.
While these numbers are of course nothing to scoff at, it’s nothing compared to the good quarter million soldiers deployed in Europe of 1993.
The US has plenty of interests not to mention deployed forces in Europe.
Actually, most of those forces have rather quietly cycled through Iraq back home to CONUS.
Offhand, there are currently more US troops in Korea than in Germany (hell, there are probably more US troops in Afghanistan).
Auftragstaktik did not originate in the Wehrmacht, but essentially evolved in its basics since the Napolean Wars, and was particularly refined by Moltke in the time between the Prussian-Austrian and Prussian-French Wars (and, btw, deeply contested as a concept for the next 40 years until WW1). The name was given to the concept in the 1890s, by its opponents.
Meaning one could fit 32 ESSM in the same silos necessary to just match the capacity of a “standard” RAM outfit, launchers only without the usual reloads.
Ah well. Germany is supposedly considering a navalized IRIS-T SL. Would be yet another system in the same class (though more of a ESSM competitor).
Block 2 RAM in a Mk41? Wouldn’t that be… well, a waste of missile silos? At least if you have the topspace for a regular launcher.
And Jutland of course… but of course Jutland would be well-integrated with German forces.
Most of these don’t keep enough aviation assets for specialized helos anyway. Sweden is about the only exception, plus Norway and Denmark:
Denmark’s AS550C2 (used to) carry TOW.
Norway’s Bell 412SP could be equipped with TOW (but afaik never were).
Re conscription, I see this as a mark of democracy: when everyone (males anyway) is involved in national defence it enhances that national cohesion, sense of self worth, involvement etc.
However, Switzerland is probably the only country in the world that requires its (male) citizens to pay a tax if they can’t serve themselves – both conscript recruits and reservists. And that for about any reason – be it that they are unfit for service, or be it that they are (as reservists) living outside the country.
Sort of “give us your body – or your money”. And we’re not talking a small one-off sum as is the case in a couple more corrupt countries (*cough* Turkey *cough*), but we’re talking 3% of your salary before taxes, every year.