The outgoing leader of Malaysia said something hateful about Jews a while back which was barely mentioned in the world press. The Iranian leader’s remarks that Israel should be wiped out, made it to page 7 of our local paper today. It would appear that the new leader is bent on proving Iran is part of an “axis of evil”. The Islamic Jihad helped out by dispatching a suicide bomber into Israel to murder a few more Jews and celebrated the event as a “great victory” according to reports.

Can you imagine the fuss and outrage around the world, if an Israeli leader said something similar? It would be on the front page everywhere and the U.N. would pass another anti-Israeli resolution.

Sauron

Sauron

To the Hamburger.

No I am not Jewish but if I was, would it make any difference? Would you love me less?

Sauron

Well, as long as there steady stream of hateful remarks from the mosques, governments and editorial pages throughout the M-E, directed at Israel in particular and the west in general, it is hard to imagine that there will be a buildup of trust in the west.

As Iran and Israel have already figured in this thread, it may be relevant to site the recent speech by the newly minted political head of Iran concerning Israel which is for all intents and purposes a ‘western country’. If you haven’t already heard about it you can link to one of these but the are others.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/14ee1ccc-465b-11da-8880-00000e2511c8.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051026/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel

It seems to me that statements like this are sufficiant reason to worry about Iran developing nuclear weapons.

Sauron

Viper

I think it was obvious to all here that I was expressing my opinion.

You ask a fair question:

was it worth the consequences?

I think that answer will be determined by the Iraqis not us. Remember the claims that the U.N. sanctions were causing 5000 child deaths/mth in Iraq? You or I may or may not believe that claim but if you do that total would now be approaching 120,000. Total speculation at this point, as is the question how many more Iraqis would Saddam have killed by this time if he was still in charge and how does that compare to the war body count. That one is real but we will never know the true number and those would apposed the war will inflate it to justify their view that it should have been left up to the U.N.

As to the first part of your last comment that:

Few or no one is saying that it was wrong to remove the Hussein regime.

Well not here now. They are all mute now.

Sauron

Viper

Why would I be disappointed because you disagree with me? What a strange remark. The fact that being against the military action to remove Saddam speaks for itself. If you apposed the invasion, you supported him. Actions have consequences.

The fact that you feel you must try and defend those who apposed the invasion but are happy that Saddam is now in the dock, with arguments like You can’t just go on painting everything in black and white and Opposing the invasion is not necessarily synonymous with supporting the Hussein regime is typical of those who sat on their hands and did nothing to protect those folks who were being slaughtered in Yugoslavia until someone with balls said enough.

I notice that no one has started a direct discussion about the results of last weeks election in Iraq. One gets the idea that even mentioning it would somehow be an admission that removing Saddam just might, maybe, somehow have been the best solution.

Sauon

I am not so sure that Saddam’s use of chemical weapons during his attacks on Iran have been forgotten anymore than the chemical attacks he carried out on his own people.

What we all know, is that without the invasion of Iraq he would not be going to trial for his crimes. He would still be killing people. As many people (including many on this forum) were strongly apposed to the Iraq invasion, thereby supporting his rule, it will be interesting to see how much support he receives now.

Sauron

Sounds like more of the same kind of deal the Clinton administration though they had with NK until it became obvious that they were had. This is only step one in an ongoing process which the Dear Leader will string out as long as possible then sign up for more economic aid and go right back to developing nukes in a cave somewhere. The problem will then be greater, and they will be selling bombs to others. Why the U.S., Japan, China, Russia and SK believe that signing a deal with a F**king fruitcake is going to work, is hard to understand.

Sauron

I think there is a moonbat on the loose!