hallo84Russian Volunteers = Russian people who volunteered to join the Russian army and then were sent to invade Ukraine because Ukraine wants closer relations to Western Europe rather than the dictatorship ruling Russia. I wouldn’t mind seeing some American Volunteers (Marine Expeditionary Units) deployed to Ukraine. Has Ukraine asked for any foreign help with this invasion?
I think your suggestion is too late…
American volunteers all went to Syria to fight for the ISIS.:highly_amused:
hallo84Is there word on which engines are being used for J-15 and -16? Granted it would be strange for Shenyang to backtrack from WS-10.
Recent rumor by chinese leaker suggest AL-31FM1 as an interm solution for J16 since shenyang leming still has issues with uprated WS-10. But given that currently there are 3 different fighter engine development program in the same thrust class I don’t believe that russian engines will remain the main powerplant for the J-16.
hallo84a pot kettle black argument.
Not really. The Chinese have a better handle on cruption.
Since no one can measure cruption objectively, peoples perception of cruption is taken as the closest proxy of the actual amount.
If we take a look at peoples perception of cruption in both China and US, more Chinese citizens believe cruption can be tackled than US citizens according to Transparency International’s global cruption barrometer. Ask yourself when was the last time a US politician was sacked for trading government job oppertunities for political contributions? Take a look at Chinese news, officials are sacked frequently for doing just such.
Also cruption is different in both country. In the US bribery is usually an barrier cost (ie no one even gets to talk to a political official without a handout) while in china bribery is a transaction cost (ie cost of getting a service). IMHO bribery in china is a much less wasteful since you are getting a direct service whist you have no idea where your money is getting you in the US.
hallo84I am the drone, bahahah.
I am not the one crying about “Chinese social harmony” (such a nice, party created harmony 🙂 ) when government corruption comes up.
At least the Chinese are dealing with the cruption problem rather than legalizing it.
Last I heard Chinese officials are getting sacked for cruption instead of getting re-elected. :dev2:
hallo84first you state that mainland Chinese and Taiwanese would be reluctant in killing fellow Chinese
but then you state that the mainlanders would be in full support of such actions which come with invasion, which is it?
US was reluctant to participate in WW2 but after pearl harbour people were gunning to be drafted.
hallo84It more looks like aircraft carrier.
Wrong ship yard for that. The carrier module is in the Jiangnan ship yard and it’s already finished construction quite a while ago.
hallo84In comments which are sure to reassure neighbours, Deputy PM Taro Aso suggests that when it comes to revising the constitution, Japan should follow the example of Nazi Germany.
You can’t make this stuff up. :eagerness:
I love Taro Aso. This clown does everything in his power to mess up relations with every country in Southeast Asia. He’s so effective you have to wonder if he’s actually working for the Japanese government. LOL
And still there are people who think there can a unified east asia under Japan…
hallo84Japan has some tension with South Korea. Yet, they’re hardly enemies and you can bet in any major Conflict with China. They would both be on the same side. You of course can also include countries like Australia, New Zeeland, Singapore, and yes the Philippines to name just a few. Really, an attack by China on any of those countries. Would be an attack on the US and all of it’s allies in the region. You can’t separate one from the other.
LOL Last time Abe visited South Korea protestors committed self-mutilation to show their determination and you think they can be allies? The current Japanese administration as it stand does not win any PR points in South East Asia. If they get their **** together and actually ditch the ineffective tough man stand then maybe it’ll make China look like a bully but all of this rides on the notion that Japan is pacifist.
hallo84LOL So, Japan has no allies………..:rolleyes:
Japan has south korea if they stop visiting that stupid shrine every now and then. LOL
or which ever country Japan did not invade during WWII… maybe India.
hallo84Health is actually expected to chew up pretty much the entire State Government budgets by then too.
Except that’s now how healthcare works in China even if general healthcare is pushed to the vast public. Unlike the american model which sets price for maximum profit.
An IV contrast CT scan(using GE lightspeed or Siemens equipent) cost 600RMB comparatively for the same service in the US can costs anywhere from $2-20K USD.
Chinese hospitals are self sustaining institutions meaning the government do not subsidize on equipement.
Need I say more?
hallo84Portuguese and Spanish treated natives with respect?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.I really hope you got paid to post that Goldust.
and the answer is.
What is a Cholo?
hallo84Source, please. The supposedly official Chinese numbers I’ve seen quoted are –
1) 183000 dead (114000 battle, rest from illness, accidents, cold, etc), plus 26000 missing. {Major General Xu Yan, who is also a professor with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s National Defense University, in an article in WenShi Cankao, a periodical under the People’s Daily – June 2010] He also said that 2.97 million Chinese troops fought in the war. The figure of 183108 deaths from all causes is stated on displays at the museum of the Korean War (or the “War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea”) in Liaoning, with a breakdown down to municipality. The museum says that it has been verified with civil registers across China.
I don’t have an internet source for you. In the 80s the government did announce PVA death totaling 360K. Another figure came from declassified documents from ministry of health and hospitals which came up with a tally of 455，199 sent to hospitals in the rear. 383，218 wounded. 25，621 missing.
183108 deaths on displays at the museum of the Korean War actually rose from 171，669 when it was first built. I don’t think this is a definite figure.
Of course there are practical reasons for the discrepancy in the numbers such as dying from wounds after discharge from PLA where local authority would list them as war casualties in order for the families to receive compensation but I think we are getting off topic.
hallo84The PLA won’t even acknowledge the massive loss they suffered and insist they were victorious with propaganda movies.
Speaking of Korean War movies, there are two movies about the Battle of Chosin Reservoir being shot, one in Hollywood from American perspective and one in China. You can watch both and can tell who’s telling the truth when both are released.
Both version is true and false at the same time. Unlike somebody here I don’t take on one side and believe it completely.
Because more bodies are coming.
Imaginary soldiers…
The human wave attack is a well-documented and well-studied Chinese battle tactic that is taught at war colleges around the world. You claiming it otherwise doesn’t change historical facts.
Right. If the pentagon repeats it enough then eventually they will find WMD in Iraq.
Yet no one has any proof of what human wave actually is aside from being press lingo that gets repeated over and over again.
PVA employed fire teams of 3 men in Platoon formations. If you look at Korean war pictures this will be very apparent. In short, they attack repeatedly on a narrow front in deep columns of platoons. They will take on heavy early casualties but this will achieve penetration of the exhausted defender upon which the PVA will head for enemy rear and flank the enemy.
Quite typical tactic employed not only in Korea but already proven successful in the civil war.
Please show me proof that PVA just mindlessly charge into an enemy position to be nailed by HMG ala human wave tactic.
What’s the point of reading a memoir by the one who ordered human wave attack and won’t acknowledge half a million troops that fell as the consequence?
Chinese officially recognize that 360K died from battle wounds, 410K died from non battle related deaths (i.e. froze to death or accidents)
The troops that were sent to North Korea were the residents of Manchuria and Northeast China, who are used to coldness. It’s like saying that Eskimo froze to death. It’s not like the PLA drafted Southerners.
Yes Inuits do freeze to death and they are very well aware of that fact from an early age. And stop being a racist.
Being born from a cold climate doesn’t magically protect you from the elements.
Maybe limited by the Chinese standard whose mobilization numbers in the millions.
But he did, hence the reason why the PLA suffered more casualties than all other combatants combined(North Korea inclusive), and the fatalities reached as much as 50% of all troops.
Its called poor logistics and the chinese recognize that.
So you missed the testimony of how the PLA troops were made to “volunteer”.
They are veterans who are ordered into battle as opposed to your account that you can just draft an army from thin air and magically you have combat effectiveness.
Then the PLA must have fought the Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese civil wars without guns, because that’s exactly what happened, the first wave of human wave in charge were untrained and unarmed volunteers whose role was to force the UN troops to waste bullets and artillery shells on them, so that the seasoned veterans could taken on the depleted UN troops.
More fiction. I got a good laugh at this.
At least show some proof.
hallo84More like the F-22’s FBW has nothing to do with F-15C/D/E’s hydraulic controller.
The J-20’s FBW on the other hand is clearly related to the J-10’s FBW, and the J-20 should be less agile than already not so agile J-20 because of the extra weight and size.
So says someone who can tell agility and stealth from looks. :rolleyes:
There are plenty of books, documentaries, and witness testimonies to confirm that what the PLA did was a classic Chinese “Human Wave Attack”(The actual Chinese word for it is “Human Sea Tactic”)
What Chinese human wave attack does is to continue pushing a massive amount of troops without a regard for a casualty rate; the loss of 20,000~30,000 troops per day was acceptable as long as the objective was achieved. What makes the Chinese human wave attack different from Western military charge is that while western troops pull back when the loss is high, Chinese don’t, continuing to make the charge until they break through the enemy line. You see this on Chinese dramas taking place before the time of Christ, as this was the only way to overrun the defensive wall of a city.
I guess you’ve read the wrong books. And please lets leave TV drama for what it is…
Why not study PLA from PLA accounts and you will understand the tactical reasons for PLA actions.
BTW Why in hell would anyone mass all their troops in one place, attack with everything you got and then leave a big opening in defense lines?
The more you flaunt the Human wave theory the more of an amateur you look.
Mao’s generals did exactly that.
Peng De Huai wrote a memoir. I guess you never read that too.
The difference is that while western commanders pull his troops out when the casualty rate gets too high, Chinese commanders don’t.
This is why the PLA suffered more loss than all other combatants including North Koreans combined in the Korean war, half a million troops to be exact, because of the Chinese “human wave attack” tactics that disregard the casualty rates and only cares about achieving the objective of driving the enemy out of the position.
Stop making things up. PLA suffered the most casualties to cold climate due to the inadequate logistic capabilities of PLA back then. Peng De Huai had “limited” troops in hand. He can’t just throw them away.
Western commanders generally have a fixed size of troops. Chinese commanders basically have an unlimited troop size. Whatever they lose today will be replaced by new conscripts tomorrow, and the central command doesn’t complain about high troop loss rate.
Bull. None of the troops sent to Korea was new conscripts. They were all veterans from the civil war and there is a limited supply. Which was why US army felt highly of the quality of troops after first contact with PLA (they didn’t know it was the chinese at the time)
An army of fresh conscripts would be combat ineffective. Only an amateur would suggest that.
Human wave attack is used in countries with a large population where life tend to be cheap.
Human wave attack is not used in countries where human life is expensive or is democratic. For example, Taiwan of today will not use it because a Taiwanese citizen’s life is not cheap, even though the KMT used it back in the mainland days.
More bull…
The quality of this discussion is declining fast…
hallo84Concentration of strength is the norm in any military operation.
And the attacker always expects to suffer more casualties than the defender.
Hence any sane military tacticians would strive to deploy greater numbers, especially in offensive operations.
This is military tactics 101.
As for tactics and pilot quality, didn’t a bunch of Chinese pilots in Flankers get their butts kicked by some Turkish pilots in F-4Es?
Well yes and no. US units lose combat effectiveness with 20-30% casualties and need to be withdrawn to regroup. Traditionally PLA built enough redundancy to allow more casualties but the draw backs is a bloated unit which is slow to deploy. All of this is changing of course with the increase in information warfare and transformation of DIV into Brigades.
On the count of F-4 its a definite yes. Those flanker pilots were there to learn as much as possible from the Turkish pilots. Probably had their note pad full. I don’t think it is a indication of the quality of PLAAF pilots though. They weren’t there to put on a show by any means.
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