hallo84Does it mean anything that he has a J-10 patch on his arm?
Yeah we have been witnessing third division trasfer from J-11 to J-10. More indication that pilots have been qualified for both planes…
hallo84China is not capable of producing that knowledge that is consumed by West or Russia.
Any revelance to the topic or just pulling crap out of your ass again…? LOL basing Chinese technical capability on nobel prize winner is just a pathetic attempt at flamming the thread. A nobel prize is as much a recognition of scientific achievement as is a political statement.
Chinese are currently leading the research on cutting edge fusion technology or are you going to blabber that nuclear physics is also some rip off of western based study?
hallo84Interesting idea, it would allow commonality with their ASW P3 and I would assume have greater endurance.
My only reservation is that would mean they would have three different AEW types in service from three different countries.
Does PAF have data uplink or something along the lines of link 16 on its planes?
If not then it wouldn’t matter for integration… Only draw back would be three different airframes.
hallo84I meantioned those right at the beginning……………..
But the second list was the new ones in service i.e. 052B, 052C, 054, 956, 956EM. I left out the older ships.
051C maybe nearing service, but still they are complex ships. May be not as complex as the 052C, but it’ll take some more time I think….
054A is I think some distance away from service…….
the 054A in HuangPu SY is nearing completetion. The sensor suit have already
been installed. Probably only waiting for VSL and testing. I’ve heard that the engines have already been started. no concrete proof though…
hallo84anyne know if the PLAN considered upgrading the sensors, etc in the Ka-28? I assume that they could fit in smaller, improved Chinese systems.
What would be the point?
Any new sensors would porbably end up in new ASW helicopters. PLAN really don’t have enough to go around…
hallo84I think the argument over whether the Chinese are cocentrating on Submarnes or surface ships is mute, there seems to be equal concentration on both with the ambition of building a balanced fleet.
I agree but the fact of the matters is that in the near future the 095 SSN are guaranteed funding… That is all we can conclude for now.
It maybe that there will be many other surface projects as well but it sure seems that sub crowd has a better way of securing funding .
hallo84Yeah that would be good.
I asked Jonesy what the PLAN needs to counter Seawolf and Virginia Class SSNs, along with those Ultra quiet SSKs about 2 years back. Here are some extracts of his post.
SURTASS and SOSUS network
Competent SSNs
ASW aircraft in numbers (high-endurance A/C and fitted with multi-channel sonobuoy processing capability, with a decent radar, competent ESM and a good EO/IR system)
ASW helicopters in numbers (With an advanced dipping sonar, as well as carriage capacity for a couple of decent LWTs)
DDH For Carrying helicopters (fitted with a active low-frequency towed array, armament sufficient for self-protection and CODLAG propulsion to minimise ownship accoustic signature)
C3I, SatComms (C3I backend and satcomms infrastructure that would be required to integrate it all into one coherent ASW plan)
Shhhheeeeeesh…………..That looks very expensive 😮 .
SURTASS and SOSUS system based in the pacific is quite out of the question. Beijing have no bases in the pacific to maintain a system of sensor array and no partner to split the cost.
Competent SSN are already under development as funding for 095 have been approved. Funny as we don’t even know a thing about 093 yet…
As for ASW aircraft in numbers, I’ve never quite understood why PLAN have brushed off the fixed wing ASW aricraft. SH-5 could’ve been a great platform for that job. It has enough payload and range but the Y-8 MPA could also serve as dedicated ASW assets. Advanced sonobuoy would be purchased from Canada and once fitted with torps could make these into potent ASW platforms.
hallo84At the moment, I am at a loss about PLANs next big ship. I have heard the name 052D but thats it. Nothing more. Not going to get my hopes high. We all thought 051C would a big cruiser but didn’t turn out that way. I thought the YJ-62 would be 300+ km supersonic ASCM. That doesn’t seem to be case at all. Its more like an anti-ship tomahwak.
Gollevainen, do you have specs for the HHQ-9A?
I wouldn’t make any guess on 052D
When has anyone postulated Chinese development before the show casing of a certain model or before the keel of the ship was laid down?
The 052C came as a complete surprise to everyone when it showed up at Hudong.
We have no idea what PLAN plans for its surface fleet as of this moment.
I guess we will just have to wait and see. Since Hudong/Jiangnan is moving out, new development will most probably have to wait untill the move is finished.
What I like to see in the near future is the deployment of more 054A with better ASW suits and ASW helicopter.
ie. the TAS we’ve seen on brocheurs or atleast the VDS system on Luhu and new ASW heli based on Harbin Aviation Industry /Eurocopter medium heli Z-15.
What we do know is that 095 SSN is approved as the next 5 year plan. So submarine may still get most of the funding.
hallo84why u in such big denial?. the most advanced are the two NPP tainwan.
Tianwan has 1000MW units but are only based on dated pressurized water reactor design and by no means the mose advanced as you are tying to suggest. Having the most output isn’t equivalent to being most advanced.
Russian have troubles with safety issues and thus the plant will have digital instrumentation and safety control systems from Siemens AG.
The Candu 6 in China are safer and more advanced despite having less output of 728MW.
Ling’ao already have French designed 1000MW reactor Connected to the grid on February 26, 2002
Qinshan Nuclear Power Phase II Project has 600MW pressurized reactors that are Chinese designed and constructed. Sanmen will have 1000MW Chinese reactors already approved in 2004.
I really don’t know where your most advanced russian reactors comes from…
hallo84The delhi’s won’t be upgraded with KLUB’s but Brahmos missiles. I don’t think there is a big doubt about which copter is better either. IN uses both Ka-28 and Seaking’s and Seakings are preffered.
How old are their sea kings? Old air frames and relative complicated design of the sea kings gave the Canadians quite a few accidents…
hallo84where is ur GE nuclear reactor on completion.? the two biggest ones are russian. and dont embrass urself about space stuff. i can tons of that from official mounths.
Actually the AECL Candu reactors from in China are much more sophisticated technology wise than the russian reactors.
Currently there are talks for more.
hallo84What does China need stealth bombers for anyway? I mean really, there are better things to blow billions of dollars on.
good question…
The mobile ICBMs and SSBN pose more of a threat than any stealth bomber.
It maybe that the Chinese are only interested in the technology which can be applied to other platforms.
hallo84And very likely Babur as well I suspect.
yes I’d think so
To be fair All CM look generally alike…
But I would’t be surprised that Babur used guidence systems provided by the Chinese. China already have a LACM system in place so it makes more sense for Pakistan to arrange for tech transfer than to actually develope it independantly.
hallo84So basically Pakistan is going to pay China to develop a system which it has already developed for its own indigenous use, sounds like a good deal for china.
Hasn’t it always been like that? But not really for chinese indiginous use since China usually offer a different platform with similar sub systems. This way PLA can export weapons quickly and cheaply and still not compromize information on its own capabilities.
ie the al khalid vs Type-96, JF-17 vs J-10…
hallo84found this on CDF…
China confirms PLA sub with ‘silencing technology’ stalked U.S. aircraft carrier
East-Asia-Intel.com, November 22, 2006
A Chinese press report confirmed that a Chinese submarine did shadow the USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier undetected and identified the submarine’s commander.
The PRC-owned Zhongguo Tongxun She in Hong Kong said PLA Navy Deputy Commander Ding Yiping commanded the submarine.
A Type 039A Song-class submarine: “China has improved silencing technology so it is difficult to detect Chinese submarines,” an expert said.
Quoting well-informed sources, the news agency reported that Song-class submarine, identified by the Chinese as a Type 039A, is part of the 32d Detachment of the South China Sea Fleet.
The operation was led by Ding who is regarded as one of the most important naval operational leaders.
“In September this year, after Ding Yiping’s arrival at Sanya in Hainan Province, the said submarine disappeared from the Yulin Naval Base in Hainan,” a source was quoted as saying. “The submarine on 26 October suddenly surfaced within five nautical miles of the aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk.”
The report quoted a Chinese analyst as saying “the current case of stalking a U.S. aircraft carrier shows China has greatly improved the silencing technology of the 039A-class submarine. China has also significantly strengthened its capability of detecting electronic signals of the U.S. fleet.”
A military expert told the agency that the Chinese navy in recent years has built up its submarine capabilities and rapidly improved their quality.
“China has improved silencing technology so it is difficult to detect Chinese submarines,” the expert said. “In the past two years, China imported eight submarines from Russia. Meanwhile, China is stepping up the production of the 039A-class conventional submarine, namely the Song-class submarine being cited at this time. On this basis, China is taking further steps to produce the latest submarine that is called the Yuan-class submarine by Western countries.”
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East-Asia-Intel, http://www.east-asia-intel.com, November 22, 2006
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