hallo84It’s not even classified information.
It’s not even confidential. What that really means is there is so many ways PLA could obtain the info without using spys.
The stolen DOD Laptops and the classified files they would contain are much more valuable than unclassified info which almost everyone can get their hands on. sign… when are people going to be less paranoid?
hallo84Later on China put on a large order for 38 aircraft in sep 05.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/il76/
Regards,
Hammer
Yeah but the chinese orders are in trouble.
Seems the russians have trouble delivering on time…
hallo84creditable rumour by chinese reporter is that J-10 will be at the upcomming Zhuhai airshow.
we’ll know the specs soon enough.
hallo84Not much difference between the two. The only proposed change is to increase wing size to improve lift and add more pylons.
hallo84So no problem for China to topple the NK regime, when compared to much smaller SK?!
Buy why would China want to topple the regime now?
Have we suddently solved the refugee problem?
If the 1,2 mio armed force of NK are no threat, why field such numbers at all?!
Most of that may better work in the fields for food and rise the economy.
Pre Gulf War I, the mentality is that people’s war docterine can still withstand the US. That docterine included a large land force. Although it has been proven to be false, NK have nothing but man power now and yet it still need a show of force. SK and the american forces massed on the other side of the DMZ isn’t really friendly either.
hallo84Where do the more than 100 mio. workers are come from? Like the young women from the countryside, who had left their villages and families to work in the factories as well as young men. They lived next or inside those factories and are “strong” enough for some years to do the 6 day-week and up to 60 hours of work for small money.
The 100 mio. workers don’t work in high tech factories. They work the jobs that no one wants to do. Much like migrants in the US that hold jobs all in the low end of the spectrum. Do you expect mexican aliens to hold positions in a Ford assembly plant eraning some $40-60 an hour?
Migrant workers in China are the same. They work as nanny, dish washer, cab drivers, construction work etc. Rarely do you see then filling up factory positions because they are not educated to work there. Look even a welding technician need to learn welding technique before they are certified to work.
Village kids don’t have any qualifications period.
Most Chinese workers from Chinese factories are still in need of retraining some skills at all. Are the schools are not the same in all of China, as claimed in the 70s?!
You got that right. I can’t even begin to compare the difference in education level between the country side and the cities. One look at University entrance rate will solve all your doubt. PS chinese higher education are free unless you don’t reach the required entrance score. Country kids should have the same chances of getting in as compared to city kids.
hallo84Of course peasants can make good quality workers. Look at China. Where does that huge new industrial workforce come from? Straight off the farm!
I’d beg to differ!
Early Joint ventures in China only hired workers from state firms.
Joint ventures like Shanghai Automobile Company + VW, First Automobile Works + Audi, Beijing jeep Joint venture.
and is many other Chinese Joint venture firms like Haier, Shanghai SVA etc need worker who have experience in an factory and can maintain the quality standards demanded by foreign conterparts.
Farmers are farmers, they neither have the discipline nor the tech know how to work in a factory.
Even KFC joint venture hired only city population.
hallo84Just about your last point. Look at China about that. They do no longer field millions of older style troops to subsitute firepower by blood. “Throw away soldiers” in the bad sense, as experienced from last battle with Vietnam (1978?). When it is ok, that China fields modern weaponary like SAM-10s, Su-27/Su-30MKK and not detail the atomic-ones even, why do you claim the same a waste of money, when it comes to SK. Double standards? I become the feeling, that you will distract from the fact, that China has no real idea what to do about NK!!!!!
Yeah but Chinese potential adversary isn’t armed WWII style. Untill recently PLA didn’t have qualitative advantage period.
SK without Subs, aegis, LPD, new MBT, newIFV, new LACM, new fighterjet, new AWACS can still hold qualitative advantage of several magnitudes over NK. What it currently hold in inventory is beyond anything NK can afford to field. Talk about disparity here…
I agree that if SK has the money to waste on new defense spendings then so be it but it has nothing to do with NK. SK already have the upper hand.
hallo84By ROC do you mean Taiwan? Because if you are comparing Taiwan with NK makes me wonder on what planet you live…
makes me wonder on what planet you live!
Taiwan tried to persue nukes and were caught three times! The only thing that prevented Taiwan from getting nukes was american threatening to let PRC have its way with Taiwan. And don’t tell me that bull crap that Chang family isn’t totalitarian. NK wasn’t the first to have father son succession of power. Taiwan preceded it and frankly Taiwan democracy didn’t come until the 90s.
Do you really think that NK (if some funding would be available) will invest in developing its economy?
Why the hell not it’s not like an purpose built auto plant or steel Plant could magically turn into Tank factories or nuke silos…
Do you even know how joint ventures works?
Gee, glad to see that Kim still has some friends…Let’s see…over 1.2 milion army… 10,000 artillery pieces and MRLSs positioned in caves, at less than 30 km from Seoul…every 4th round with chemical charges…100,000 in NK special forces…a nuclear program started when they did not left non-proliferation treaty…the only country that these days openly declares that it will use nuclear weapons…hmmm you are right, SKoreans must be paranoids 😀
Yeah with all that and it’s still undisputable that SK can whip NK any time. Even with the fizzled nuke NK have no creditable defene against Sk which is better armed by several magitues.
hallo84You have to decide if your intrested in the well-being of the population or of the survival of the regime?!
For a communist regium well being of the Party = well-being of the population.
No party means no people period.
It really does not matter what NK may export, except of food. Non can demand a food-help for NK at the same time for the starving population, when food is exported at the same time. Did you ever question, where the money from that exports were mainly used for really?! To stay honest, NK is a big military maschine fed by a population of just ~22 mio people from a baby to the elder ones. Every economical gains will be consumed to keep that “maschine” alive, when not downgraded considerably.
No I did not question the final use of the money. But we have good estimation of where the money went. No it does not all go to the military. not even the most of it. Even with a million strong army, with the way NK arms and feed its army, I don’t see how all the eranings are used up. There is no billions of dollars worth of equipement. There isn’t even a moderization attempt.
ROC during the 50s till 70s had a similar sized army, with less populatuion than NK and still managed to develope the economy at the same time.
Their commenality? They were both totalitarian regimes.
Recently Nk have been increased spending on infostructure. It needs this to further economic increase. PRC open new services have already reported this. What Nk need now is an influx of foreign tech and funding so that it can jump start its economy and walk out of it’s communist past.
I hope you see the shortcomings of your way to change-over NK through economical development only. It may work with a different leadership, what is willing to downsize the military to the absolute minimum. By the way it will relieve the defence burden of South Korea too and free money for economical help for the North by that.
Yes I do see the shortcomings. mainly it is going to take a long time, and needs patience from all sides, plus it won’t go out with a bang. Guess what we lack most…
What defence burden of South Korea are you talking about?
Do SK need aegis systems to defend against NK? Do SK need F-15K? Do Sk need 1000km LACM or even a Sub fleet? Do SK need a helicopter carrier or new MBT that is generations ahead of anything NK could hope to field?
If SK want to waste money on Defense spending then so be it but don’t claim it to be because of NK threat. It is clearly not.
hallo84N. Korea exports coal (when it can find buyers – the Japanese have stopped buying) & some metals. It does have a manufacturing base, but apart from weapons, its products have not been exportable for years. Who wants a 1960s technology TV?
Yes NK also have coal to sell why export it when it has a shortage of energy?
It ties back to my point. NK needs the foreign currency to buy what it needs in the form of hi tech machinery and material like high grade steel it currently can not produce. It is selling what ever it can to scrap up money but you can’t really blame NK for doing so. Look reforms don’t happen by them selves and definately don’t happen just because some official stated it. You need capital which NK lack.
I think you’d find the N. Koreans aren’t all as brainwashed as you imagine. Since the famines, & mass flight across the Chinese border, contact with the outside world has greatly increased, & few N. Koreans can now be unaware how poor they are relative to their neighbours. Think of soldiers on the DMZ seeing South Korean soldiers, & noticeing they’re bigger than N. Koreans. Also, people scavenging for food & scraps of coal & wood for fuel, catching rats for food, & ignored by the government, aren’t brainwashed to give 110% effort. There are smugglers, & dissidents, & a few people with unofficial mobile phones with subscriptions to Chinese networks.
Who cares about what the farmers think. Or do you seriously think farmers out of the countryside could make good quality workers? What is important is the folks in the cities especially residents of Pyongyang who have been working hard in state jobs getting penuts in wages.
NK is much like pre DengXiaoPing reformed china where the countryside generally gets ignored and all funds and resources pumped into the cities.
City folk are usually not dissidents. They are well fed, adaquately housed. They are the labour force and the whole motivation behind NK.
A joint venture firm that pays better will definately suck all the good labour force. Which is plenty to go aroud. Economic growth in the cities will slowly but surely trickly back into the countryside and raise living conditions for everyone.
hallo84The NK army is part of the population too. But what angers most is, that at the same time food was exported by NK to get hard currency for that.
All world is informed about that situation in NK, when some ruthless business people did/do that buys. A possible sanction can be to ban buys of food from NK. Sounds strange at first, but will help the ordinary people there at first.
Not really NK haven’t got much to offer on the world market. NK has no significan natural resources, no manufacturing base, and no hi tech sector.
Food is still a comodity it can trade. What do you expect it to do?
A country need hard currency to exist in the global market. No money means NK might as well not exist, to the global economy it doesn’t really matter.
No currency means no economic reforms, no development and a whole lot of problems. China ran into the same problems in the 60s, 70s and even early 80s. What is needed in NK is really foreign investment and development. An injection of money will boost economy and radically induce a lot of social changes. The joint-ventures in China is really what boosted the tech base and economy in China.
SK should be the one looking into this if they have any hope of reuniting the North with the South. Look at it this way, NK has loads of cheap labour and all the workers are trained (brainwashed) to give 110% effort.
hallo84To be honest. When there is a real problem, non is intrested utmost to learn what can not be done for reasons, sometimes justified or just guesses at best with the focus to the worst. What I learned about NK is that the civilian population did suffer for years, when there is no embargo on food, but donations of that from the outside world were sent for years. Compared to 1300 mio Chinese 22 mio Koreans are just peanuts. (By the way similar number like Taiwan, where China has no problem to force its will militarily.) I do not see all people move at the same time and that the South and several other countries will not come to help to ease that temporary burden. To help 22 mio NKs is much cheaper than the related costs for anti-atomar defences or damages from that.
So it will be more intresting to learn, what usefull solution you have to offer to solve that problem, than wishfull thinking, that a miracle or someone other may save China from that.
China is in an uncomfortable position where the rest of the world want her to act but honestly China already know she has less and less leverage over NK.
The bomb test clearly proves that point.
Second 22 mil influx of refugees is a strain on any country. Sure china could incoperate some of the pop over time but in short periods of weeks and months there is no way in hell Beijing could come up with an adequate plan to house and feed millions of refugees without massive death and not to mention straining on the local municipalities. Chinese/NK boarder region isn’t awfully developed. It has no where near the infostructre to support the added population.
What China has been doing for years was to incoperate NK economy into the global economy and to force it to change. Sactions only set back all the efforts. What we really need is more time and US to keep NK on the bait by promissing bilatertal meetings or whatever. If Kim wants a meeting with the US then give it to him. Talk is cheap and as long as economic reforms are happening in NK there will be changes in the political system soon.
hallo84Blackmail isn’t usually the way to get the US to respond. Funny how if he’d have simply sent a sincere letter it might have gotten a better response than all this childish BS he’s been up to.
This isn’t usual and plus USA have quite frankly been ignoring NK eventhough Kim have already been warning he would be waving his big stick.
Now it seems NK have got the attention of the would, what’s still unclear is it’s intensions now that everyone is looking his way. Maybe the US would come to the conclusion that a bilateral meeting (what kim wanted) would be the diplomatic solution that they are so desperately seeking
I still don’t think a PLA invasion ala Iraq style is possible or even the best choice considering China doesn’t want a destabilized NK with millions of refugees braving the yaolu to safety. China currently have no way of dealing with a refugee flood, no country currently can. An US invasion will pressure china to move with regards to an occupation of NK inorder to keep refugees in NK. Now we opened a whole new can of worms with regards to SK who neither have high views of US intentions or Chinese occupation of N. Korea. Plus you have the possibility that the fool Chen could see this as an excellent chance for Taiwan to declare independace as the PLA is busy else where and his ass being on the back burner for cruption charges in accordance with public rallying for his dissmissal. An independace movement might distract the public long enough for all accusations to die down.
A sanction on NK now does nothing but cause harm to the civilian population and frankly Kim have already suffered sanctions and no regime change ever came to…
hallo84A little but obviously, nothing is enough. That is why I asked for what others with experience in the same field think?
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BTW a good PS job takes hours of tweaking (usually by professionals that charge around 50$/hr) is not really feasable for the average prankster.
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