hallo84LOL Do I smell a turkey shoot?
Cool concept but quite useless considering the operational limitations
Whats the point of having a slow gliding paratrooper when they can be easily be shot out of the air…?
If we are indeed thinking about a night deployment then such coordinated attacks with all troops landing in the same vacinity is wishful thinking at best. A gust of strong could push them miles off course…
hallo84I don’t think a comparison of Shipbuilding Industries can be composed of individual countries.
Simply because there are too much subcontracting between different countries and firms makes it very hard for us to definately say where each ship actually was built.
I know for a fact that Hyundai Heavy industries subcontract sections of pre fabricated hull sections to Hudong ship yard in Shanghai China. The problem becomes if we count the raw tonnage that Koreans fabricated or the whole ship where parts are subcontracted to other countries…
I think we can only compare the ability of each shipyard, especially the ability with which they can produce innnovative new solutions and the technology driven by these corperations.
hallo84My comment wasn’t made with any particular European project in mind, but even if almost all of them went over-budget (and what project doesn’t, be it national or international, these days!), they did get built.
60 years ago, you can bet that there was significant mistrust in Europe, yet a conflict between, for instance, France and Germany would be unthinkable by now. It just takes some determination to make it work, there’s no reason for Korea and Japan not to get their act together aswell. Infact, you could argue that it is overdue that they did.
Nan… Japan and Korean Co-op won’t ever happen until Japan truely realize the horrible things they comitted in WWII and appoligized for it.
Germany have openly appoligized for all atrocities it bestoed upon neighbouring countries while Japan on the other hand tries to white wash its history. since WW2 Germans attitude earned them forgiveness in europe, but Japan is still at odds with most of its neighbours and maintains territorial disputes with all of them…
Given such geopolitical climate Co-op oppertunities with rest of asia is highly unlikely if not impossible…
hallo84A fully equipped 051C at last!!!
Great pics! Too bad it isn’t from a higher angle so we can peak at the missile package…
Is the ship fitted with S-300FM infront of the bridge aswell or is the space reserved for VSL Shtil?
hallo84Speaking of nonsense no country is going to go from no stealth to a full blown 5th generation aircraft in one step. You’d want to get ANYTHING on the ramp just to start gaining experience if nothing else. As for the F-117 being “desperatly obsolete” do you care to qualify that statement? (And please don’t bore us with that tired old saw of the F-117 shootdown. We already know what happened there and it had nothing to do with it’s stealth being “obsolete”.)
Why not desperatly obsolete?
it’s not even a fighter eventhough it’s labeled F-117… might as well be B-117
The lack of speed makes it an obsolete design for a fighter and if China is to design a plane along the lines of Yf-23 and F22 then certainly they won’t start with the F-117.
hallo84It is precisely half of a Nimrod AEW. It turns out that the Nimrod AEW’s fore and aft arrays didn’t work very well simultaneously……
on a Il-76 airframe?
This should be a insert from some commercial chinese magazine so I would rather doubt the authenticity of the aircraft in question.
If indeed this is a true design kept hidden from us then PLAAF has been doing a better job than it has done with the KJ-2000 and all other varients of Y-8 AEW…
hallo84On another line of thought I have a hunch that letting General Fallon sit in the cockpit of the JH-7 an aircraft which is behind what even China calls state of the art is not as much of an issue than say him sitting in a J-10 or Su30.
Anyone got the picture as I would like to add it to my collection.
Well he was shown much of he called macho brovado from the exercise but not much technical experience. Maybe the PLAAF is just trying lead him astray.
hallo84Folks,
In this whole debate everyone is forgetting that old saying: Amatures discuss weapons; experts logistics. Does anyone believe that the PLAN or the IN can substain a carrier task force at sea for long? Refuel and Re-Arm it and protect the tankers and supply ships from home port to the CV location? Many consider only two navy really capable of that over the long haul in blue oceans: ie the US Navy and the Japanese Navy. Remember when the Russians sent their one carrier into the Med during the Kosovo Crisis the US Navy had to help them with fixing their fresh water plant and teaching them carrier landing skills. It is a culture. India has some great warships, but does it have the culture to operate ships for long periods at long distances? No one today says that about China. At least as far as I know or have read.
Jack E. Hammond
And why do you suppose PLAN is incapable of substain a carrier task force?
AFAIK, PLAN by far have more support/auxilliary assets, larger vessels than JMSDF.
Just to name a few you’d get the idea the difference in displacement and the availability or lack of support assets in JMSDF
JMSDF
AOE “Sagami” Class 421 Displacement : 5,000t
AOE “Towada” Class Displacement : 8,100t
PLAN
Nancang replenishment ship Displacement: 37,000 tons full load
Taikang (‘Fuqing’) class fleet oilers : Displacement: 21,740 tons full load
Qiandaohu class fleet replenishment shipDisplacement: 20,000+ tonnes
Aside from the relative lower experience operating in fleet formation, PLAN support structure are both more abundant advanced than JMSDF.
PLAN also have auxillary support branches since PLAN do not share naval support assets with PLA or PLAAF and these branches operate seperate systems of naval support.
hallo84This cockpit looks very small.
Look at that FAT Chinese engineer, can he fit into this small cockpit?Now, I must say this cockpit design and layout is very advance and on par to the latest aircrafts like F-16 C/D, Gripen etc.
But they still need a wide angle view of HUD.
What a surprise for a low cost fighter like FC-1.
Very nice indeed.
Chinese PLAAF pilots go through regirous training to maintain body weight.
Up till unlate 90s, 172cm ramined the max height of fighter pilots. Even now it measures a max of 180cm.
I hate to say but shorties are preferred in Chinese airforce…
hallo84great pic of the 051C. It must be quite recent as the tarps are removed and electronics suit are installed.
it seems to me that Band Stand has become almost standard radar on new build chinese destroyers. They must really be impressed by the Sovremennys…
On a side note… are the chinese YJ series of ASM are compatible with the Band Stand radar if they are to be guided by it? or are the guidence handled by something else?
hallo84Didn’t Russia sell a A-50I to China, and has now been redesigned KJ-2000 since China modified it with their own radar?
Chinese KJ-2000 are mostly modified Il-76MD transports operated by a civilian airline…
I thought the A-50I went to India along with the Phalcon deal.
hallo84sonar buoy from the DDG 170
VDS?
I thought the 170 lacked ASuW package… or so people have said of it.
hallo84This particular news is quite recent (though i must admit similar things have been said in past from time to time) yet RD-93 contract with China was signed a few months back and must have taken a while to be negotiated. If these engines are indeed solely for Pakistan, this forces one to conclude that there never was any significant problem with PAF getting these engines in spite of all the noises we heard from different quarters, and that a follow up order from Pakistan is a forgone conclusion.
Taking into consideration the latest news item (kindly posted by star49) which states “Now we have entered negotiations with the Chinese on the second contract for 100 more engines, “ its logical to assume that CAC probably already has other orders besides that from PAF. We have also heard from other reports in past that Russians hope to sell 500 or so RD-93 engines to China, which indicates they are quite certain about a chinese order.
PS. PAF top brass has always maintained that China would buy FC-1, while some have said that China has already committed to 200 odd machines. Also take a note that of first 16 machines, only 8 are destined for PAF while the remaining 8 would be going to PLAAF test & evaluation centre.
500 RD-93 certainly won’t be enough for both pakistan and china. That number includes all spare engine as well thus would come to half the number of airfames.
If PLAAF ever chose to induct the cheaper FC-1 to replace the thousands of J-7 and J-8 then the 500 figure does not fit at all.
hallo84An interesting thought,both the 051C’s and the two sovremennys are now not far from service yet there does not seem to be any further sighns of DDG production, I wonder what is going on???
Well maybe the PLAN is testing out the new hull types before more copies are built.
It’s really hard to correct an problem in the design if you already constructed the hull of the ship.
hallo84If you dont mind I will remain sceptical of a report from a magazine that has pictures of a funny coloured pandas.
Aviation World Monthly is actually quite an reliable source… It is the semi official sources of PLAAF equipement in the form of a comercial magazine within china.
The panda’s are the beijing 2008 olympics mascots. Probably part of an ad…
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