hallo84Hmmm … would this be written from anything different that Kommersant I would say fine, but now I’m slightly sceptical and say: Let’s wait and see !
Would be interesting if there are actually talks between these countries and CAC or if this is just a permission in a more perspective way, that Russia would sell its engine IF ….
So, Let’s wait and see !
Why would it include specific countries if there is no interest from the said countries to purchase the plane? There must be significant comitment to warrent the such a deal between Russia and China.
hallo84Most interesting news so far.
China to Re-Export Russian Jet Engine
http://www.kommersant.com/page.asp?id=827285
The Russian Federal Military Technology Cooperation Service has permitted China to re-export Russian RD-93 fighter jet engines as part of FC-1 Chinese-Pakistani planes to six countries, including Algeria, which, until now, has only bought Russian jets. Besides Pakistan and Algeria, the countries that will receive the planes are Egypt, Nigeria, Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia.
The presence of Algeria on the lost was unexpected. It is the third-largest buyer of Russian military hardware and has only purchased coast guard boats and Kalashnikov plants from China so far. Russia signed a contract with Algeria in March 2006 for the delivery of 28 MiG-29SMT and 6 MiG-29UB planes. However, the Algerian government complained about the quality of the planes immediately after the first deliveries. Russia offered to replace two of the planes, which were manufactured by the Sokol plant in Nizhny Novgorod after Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika wrote to Russian President Vladimir Putin, but Algeria did not respond to that suggestion. Observers say that the country’s interest in the FC-1 may be due to its disappointment with the MiGs, although the FC-1 is much less militarily effective.
The FC-1 (known as the JF-17 in Pakistan) is the first Chinese multifunctional fighter jet created for the foreign market. Design of the aircraft began in the early 1990s by Chengdu Aircraft Industry. Pakistan paid for about half of the design costs ($75 million). The Russian RD-93 engines for it were designed by the Klimov company and are manufactured by Chernyshev Moscow Heavy Machinery Enterprise. Rosoboronexport struck a $238-million deal for the first 100 engines for the craft in 2005.
Pakistan is the only country that has signed a for the purchase of the aircraft so far. Besides the countries that plan to sign contracts, Lebanon, Burma, Iran and Sri Lanka have expressed interest in it.
hallo84In exercises any thing can be setup. But in real war it is different matter.
This isn’t play pretend GI Joe. Maybe in your mind that’s how everything happens.
In real life not exercised means not operational practice which means it’s not done period.
Ground radar can be jammed and destroyed? Ground radar is bigger and more powerful and is more capable if they are of same generation. just because US has been successful in jamming some third world countries radar it does not mean two equal adversaries will face the same situation.
LOL You are funny. PLA exercises have often shown one group having the ability to jam the other although they are two equal adversaries according to you.
ur just assuming stuff without knowledge to back it up. Taiwan knew even in 1997 that J-10 is Lavi when there is no reported flight.
And you know that because you work for Taiwan NSA intel? LOL
they were asking form AIM-120 to counter R-27. they knew MICA does not have the range.
LOL… I won’t comment because that is too funny
Do you even have the slightest clue on ROCAF docterine?
What ever does ROCAF use its mirage 2000 for?
hallo84http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2007-11/02/content_6995748.htm
PLA guided-missile brigade, recon UAV.
Don’t know enough about UAVs to vis-ident it as a domestic UAV, or an Israeli Harpy. 8b
Domestic you can see the ASN on the tail.
Probably ASN-206 for an artillary recon regiment.
hallo84energy is mass into velocity. read about MIG-31 vs Su-27. and Su-27 consumes most of fuel during takeoff stage. In actual combat it will be no more than 6 to 7 tons. which will give Su-27 greater than 1 TWR.
Mass into velocity? what are you taking about Mig 31 have higher sustained or top speed than Su-27?
Crobato is talking about the energy transferred to a missile so a bigger plane certainly won’t give more energy to the missile since mass of missile stays the same. It only the speed of the plane and the mass of the missile that matters here. Basic physics here if you can wrap you brain around it.
it is very minor when ur carry external weopons and fuel tanks and u have seen the amount of smoke generated in J-10 promot video from missile firing. and it was wvr missile.
What does smoke have to do with anything? Even it smoke does increae RCS but then again a shot has already been fired. You already have the advantage.
radar paint was used on MIG-21Bison during 90s. it is not a factor.
Your opinion or fact? It not a factor according only to you. I’m sure no one who actually work in the military aviation industry think so.
R-27 is heavier missile and it is most likey having greater speed and range than R-77/PL-12 class missile just like semi-active AA-9 Amos.
Trade off between mass and drag. Bid and heavy doesn’t automatically translate to a faster missile.
Man you need much more basic learning to do before you come here blabbering some very basic mistakes.
hallo84Man i am not bashing any country, i am just reminding you the Chinese Government has little credibility in the international arena, only time will tell. the Russians or israelies said something they might be wrong it is true, however the chinese government is not very reliable for the West too.
LOL what utter BS. In the recent world economic forum the chinese leadership was criticized with giving boring speeches by the west. The reson as clarified later by the chinese was that these are policy statements and are not subject to interpretations any other way. Chinese speech are exact to the point. Imagine china changes its policy every other day.
How you divert from stupid Russian media spinning sensational but utter crap reporting to Chinese not having credibility is beyong me. If you want to find a Government with little credibility you’re looking in the wrong continent.
Its not Beijing that claims there is WMD in Iraq and then goes out of its way to find none.
hallo84The HF-III missile look suspeciously like navy ALVRJ project.
No wonder so many supposid chinese spies were Taiwan nationals…
hallo84>Came from Taiwan Ministry of Defence.
>Public pics no copy right issue.Thanks for that info.
I tried their website a few days ago, but couldn’t find any report of the parade. I suspect that the english-language version of the website has only a small subset of the total info. Or perhaps my elderly fingers just lack web-navigational skills…
Mercurius Cantabrigiensis
Don’t go to the english site. It has nothing, well only what washington wants to see.
use their domestic public relations site at http://mna.gpwb.gov.tw/
If your chinese is sloppy try using it in combination with babel fish translator.
hallo84Super pics – does anyone know where they came from? (Some of our posters are terribly lax in matters of copyright…)
Came from Taiwan Ministry of Defence.
Public pics no copy right issue.
hallo84excellent! want to know more about these missiles. what is the launcher in last image? PAC-3?
TK-3 ABM SAM system.
Copy of PAC-2 but suposidly modified with ABM capability…
hallo84hmmm, that looks like a 092 to me,
or maybe you weren’t talking about 093/094?891 shouldn’t be anywhere here.
First of all the 092 pic is added on later. We’re not even sure the first set of gear is for sure for 092. Notice the caption only say ruduction gear of nuclear submarine. But since it doesn’t say new SSn we’re assuming the first pic is for 092.
The second pic on the other hand show a set of new gears. Although the layout resembles the first set, I don’t think they are the same.
What’s bothering me is the clear lack of noise reduction measures. ie rubber seperators to decrease vibration.
hallo84I like to know if anyone with that book has the photo to match it with this one if it is correct.
Now I’d take this with a lot of salt.
Even if it’s real, the trade has to be after 1994 since unit 54 was still active in Romania.
In the mid-late 90s, why would PLA want a Mig-29A? Then again US bought some in 1997, so there is a chance that CHina bought one to play with.
hallo84here’s what you wanted…
second pic for comparison
hallo84AFAIK the last Soviet/Russian subs with something less advanced than a 7-bladed skew-back prop are the VictorIII, DeltaIII, OscarI and early export Kilos. Anything more recent (AkulaI/II, Typhoon, SierraI/II, domestic & newer export Kilos, OscarII, DeltaIV, Lada/Amur) has an advanced prop with progressively more complex vortex attenuators. Most of these also have limber hole covers, so the layout of the holes themselves becomes a non-issue.
I’d expect the new generation of Chinese nuclear submarines to also have a turbo-electric powertrain. Provided that some expirience in building diesel-electric SSKs has been made (as with France and China) this is a very convenient way around the time-consuming process of designing silent-running reduction-gear machinery which is not exactly trivial. It does impose some limitations on performance, but nothing serious if the main focus is on regional as opposed to global operations, making underwater endurance rather than top speed the main attraction of nuclear propulsion.
Actually Chinese SSNs still use reduction gear. There were public ceremony held after the completion of development and pictures of the complex gears systems are avaliable. These are not considered secrets anymore.
hallo84You are obviously going to get more profit out of an export sales. For example, the one to Nigeria. Does anyone really believe PLAAF pays $11 million for each J-7G? (and it uses a more powerful engine than the export F-7s)
We have no way of knowing how much J-7G costs for PLAAF. Since missile and spares are not included in regular PLAAF precurement budget but by general armament division. What we do know is that performance wise J-7G and J-7Ni is roughly similar while soviet mig-21 export and domestic mig 21 differes by a magnitude.
A lot of products are advertised before they are developed. You should be comparing them with domestic products also in development at that time.
I’ve already made the comparison…
As for J-8F, it’s a much better fighter than F-8IIM, that’s why.
LOL the J-8F has no name recognition going for it. Even if China were to offer it it won’t make any difference.
On the other hand the F-8IIM is widely known multirole aircraft. It doesn’t even need any publicity but it still failed.
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