It was ‘missing’ from XA699 when we acquired the aircraft from Cosford so she was many years an incomplete example… …rear end, it still exists but I cannot divulge where on an open forum….I’ll get shot.
It’s no great secret is it? – it was removed (as you say before the Museum acquired it) to help make another incomplete example complete.
Have a photo somewhere of the fuselage on a lorry going under the railway bridge at Cosford – the canopy was real close to the underside of the bridge.
Roger Smith.
See TEXANTOMCAT’s posting from a few days ago about filming at Sywell for the TV programme on the Victoria Cross.
Roger Smith.
I’m only guessing but two possible ideas
To allow access to of much of the airframe as possible to treat corrosion due to it’s situation in a saline atmosphere?
To reduce the load on the undercarraige?
Roger Smith.
Peter,
I haven’t been involved with XL360 for quite a while and didn’t mean to imply these sort of things haven’t/aren’t being done to her.
However, my questions for a structural expert still stand.
Roger Smith.
Peter I agree, but is it worth the effort required? I’ll explain what I mean – although perhaps I should write this on your thread about the health of surviving Vulcans but here goes.
At the time we acquired XL360 I put a ‘pessimistic hat’ on and said if we didn’t get a roof over her in 10 years she would end up cut up. I was wrong thankfully (by a factor of 2.5 so far) but how wrong?
Using XL360 as a typical example of most of the UK ‘fleet’ of Vulcans that stand outside she has had one repaint and varying amounts of TLC since arriving in February, 1984. Eventually corrosion could bring her to a state whereby bits might start falling off which, depending on the size of the bits, could obviously represent a danger to Museum members/visitors.
Is there anyone out there with sufficient knowledge of aircraft structures to be able to voice an opinion of how long a Vulcan can sit out in the British climate and perhaps which are the ‘weakest’ or ‘suspect’ areas on the aircraft?
So, in a nutshell, I am still pessimistic about the long-term future of many of the Vulcans preserved and although turning the engines over would be nice will it do anything to extend the life of the airframe?
Roger Smith.
So is there anything missing that would prevent the engines from being cranked or even started?
Don’t know about anything “missing” but the close proximity of the Education Centre (portakabin), The Sir Frank Whittle building, DH.125 and AW Argosy would, I think, rule out starting any of the engines.
Roger Smith.
Just got the new edition of “Popular Flying” and in the Project News section is a photo of Jurca MJ-10 Spitfire currently under construction by John Rogerson. It is 80% scale (and, apparently, contains an impressive amount of spruce) and will be fitted with a 250 h.p. LOM 6 cyl in-line engine.
Roger Smith.
My personal opinion would be to let it be.
As well as other problems mentioned above, suggesting reburial brings up the awful possibility of the three families falling out over the decision.
Roger Smith.
I like the idea as well but two comments.
The location of EMA is, perhaps, too close to Cosford and any proposal would stand more chance, maybe, with a location in the north of England.
What about including a Vickers Victoria (rep) in the list? A couple of Vimy replicas have been built – didn’t the Victoria utilise a lot of Vimy components?
Roger Smith.
Correct if I’m wrong as I may well be (no one else having commented on this) but aside from being the dog’s name, was “Nigger” also a coded signal of some sort? I’m trying to remember … there was “goner” I think signalling a succesful breach … there were also other call-signs or code-words or whatever you call them.
That’s what I meant by putting it in context and assumed (wrongly) everyone else on here would know what I meant. In the original film when the code “Nigger” is sent back to the ops room there are scenes of jubilation – particularly from Barnes Wallis now knowing “his” bomb worked.
The ‘most important’ codeword was to honour Gibson’s dog that had just been killed in a road accident.
Roger Smith.
If the ‘Flight’ is sold, I reckon unlikely would be kept as a complete unit – more likely split up. 🙁
Roger Smith.
Tom Cardy’s piece is interesting. What disappoints me is that he, and I suspect a lot of other journalists/commentators, describe the word “Nigger” as just the name of a dog without putting in proper context.
Pressure to change the name will be greater from people who think it is just a dog’s name.
Roger Smith.
Is there enough runway in good enough nick for ‘474 to land though? I know what’s left is good enough for ‘611 to trundle along, but is it deemed operational enough for the Lanc to actual fly in and out from? Surely, ‘474 would have landed there previously for opportunities with her sister by now if she was able?
Maybe Peter Jackson has budgetted for an upgrade 🙂
Roger Smith.
Hi Nick, welcome to the forum.
The Grose and Feary Monoplane appears on page 294 of Peter Lewis’s Putnam book “British Aircraft 1809 – 1914” (1962).
I will quote what Lewis wrote in case you cannot access (or have not already seen).
“A. M. Grose and N. A. Feary designed their tractor monoplane during 1909, for construction by Capt. W. G. Windham at his Windham Detachable Motor Body Co., of Clapham Junction, London, S.W.11. It was finished in April, 1910, at Oakington, Cambs. The machine was a single-seater and was powered by a four-cylinder 25 h.p. Advance engine. The wings were equipped with a patented lateral stability device. Span, 26 ft. Length, 25 ft. Wing area 160 sq. ft.”
The accompanying photograph is the same as the one you show but without the title at the bottom.
Hope this might be of some use.
Additionally I should treat the report that it “was taken to de Havilland’s at Hatfield” with some suspicion. I don’t know the dates off-hand (although I know there are others on the forum that will) but DH was formed after World War One at Stag Lane and only later moved to Hatfield.
Roger Smith.
Thanks Moggy…
no seriously is this a waste of thread or what? why dont we wait and see what the weekend brings?
is it true – are we running out of threads?
Roger Smith.