The AdlA M2K Cs after the 38th example that came of the production line and carried the RDI radar used grey radomes. The early series models ( S1-3) were redesignated S4 when the RDI was installed replacing the RDM in the first 37 airframes. The Greek M2000 EGs received also extensive upgrades in their RDM radar, and thus were redesignated as Mirage 2000 EGM ( M for modified).
Photo Copyright 341 Mira (Squadron) 111 Pterigha Machis (Fighter Wing) Polemiki Aeroporia (Hellenic Air Force):
http://hafcphotos.cs.net/photo_viewer_detail.cfm?photoid=160619
The upgraded UAE ones have grey radomes now AFAIK.
The first 37 Charlies and 15 Bravos had black Radomes. There are Peruvian, UAE and Indian M2K’s with black radomes.
Check Air Enthusiast no.110, March-April 2004 issue, article :Target Saddam’s reactor by Tom Cooper and Farzad Bishop.
Flex, I do not object to you posting these photos, on the contrary that’s the reason why I asked for them and why they were given to me. I object to you or anyone else EDITING them in order not to show the bar that gives copyright credit to the rightful owner. I am looking at this forum very closely since 1999 and I know very well the copyright problems that prompted the Webmaster to DISABLE direct image linking exactly for that reason. I do not know the way you have organised your files and it not my business, however it is the responsibility of each poster to know what he is posting and to provide credit where this is due, its not just netiquette, it’s the law. You should “care” about your OWN posts and WHAT is posted in them, that much is the least you can do as a sign of respect to the forum’s code of conduct, to netiquette and to your own self respect.
Using “heavy words” may seem strange to you, but there are people who are irresponsible, lazy and think they are smart and get get away with plagiarizing, so since its a tough world out there, you bet I will use heavy, or light, or whatever words in order to protect my rights, my credibility and my proffesionalism.
Feel free to send me in pm the url of the edited photographs as I do not intend to stop here with this matter.
The best “anger management” for plagiarisation is my lawyer. 😉
COPYRIGHT
Flex 297, it would be nice to name the source of these photographs, since the copyright belongs to Dassault and the specific 2 photos you posted were given to me personally by Savvas Vlassis from Strategy magazine and were posted to the HAF photos pages by George Psarras. Editing the caption and posting it as yours is a legal offence, so I expect you to correct this ASAP…
Greek SAMs are a defense for NATO against ballistic missiles coming from Iran for example… There is no system in Turkey capable of shooting them down. Unless you plan to wage an air war against Greece, or launch Ballistic Missiles against Greece ,Greek SAMs need not worry you…
PS are you sure that Greek S-300s stay always on Crete…? :diablo:
Sahin/Feridun/Tasdan/robust
Politically, if something like S-400 or S-300 located in Rhodos, Turkey will consider them offensive systems, and will consider any Greek deployment of such system hostile…
Considering SAMs as “offensive” shows ignorance and is not healthy for NATO defences. EU candidate members do not consider such cr@p as “offensive”, unless they think we are clueless…
Srbin
You are right about the Army-Navy /Air Force allocation.
J33
You forgot “Velos” and Stingers… 😉
There will be no 1:1 replacement at once, no. But in a span of 15-20 years the amount of new fighters will rise as the early F-16s and M2K’s will also need replacement, so its wise not to make the same mistake as with those types that were ordered in separate batches…60 is not the limit and its time to plan into the future for a change…
Buying 60 planes only is not only counterproductive, but also raises the price per unit. An eventual 100+ number is realistic, given the number of Corsairs and non upgraded Phantoms that will be withdrawn around 2010. Assuming the deal will include an assembly or production line in Tanagra and will involve Greek companies, thus lowering the total cost and stimulating economic growth. For the Su-3x ( as well as for the proposed F-15H 4 years ago) there are no HAS that can accomodate them, and that’s just one example… Just take a look and how much the US is reacting to press reports that the TORs are linked to the Patriots and are under an integrated control, and you’ll understand why such a purchase will never happen…
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=21475
Looks like Rafale is back into the game and has good chances. LM is offering Block 60s until the F-35 becomes available. The Typhoon is of course not ‘excluded’ and the Su3x although an excellent machine, has no realistic possibility of being awarded the contract at all…
There was never a “deal”, just an expression of interest and talks with EADS that never materialides into a contract…
Putin tries to reassure world over ‘unique’ nuclear missile claim
By Andrew Osborn in Moscow
21 November 2004
Russia has moved to reassure the international community that it is not embarking on a new arms race, just days after boasting it had developed a new nuclear weapon that “other nuclear powers do not and will not possess”.
President Vladimir Putin told the country’s top military brass last Wednesday that new nuclear missile systems were being tested and would be pressed into service “in the next few years”. International terrorism was the main threat facing Russia, he conceded, but the country could not afford to neglect its ageing nuclear arsenal.
Mr Putin’s comments surprised many analysts. The speech appeared to sit awkwardly with international attempts to prevent Iran’s and North Korea’s nuclear programmes. But Russian officials say Mr Putin’s comments should not be misunderstood.
At the United Nations the country’s Deputy Foreign Minister, Yuri Fedotov, insisted the rest of the world had nothing to worry about, saying the new missile system was “purely defensive” and merely part of a continuing programme to upgrade Russia’s military capability. “As with everything we have it’s totally defensive,” said Mr Fedotov. “All armed forces need to upgrade and this is part of a natural process … It is [also] necessary to improve missile systems to avoid accidents.”
Most analysts believe Mr Putin’s comments were mainly for domestic consumption, designed to boost morale in the country’s cash-starved armed forces, which are undergoing a radical restructuring. But experts are divided over what kind of nuclear weapon the president was referring to.
Some believe it is a ballistic missile for submarines, carrying 10 warheads over a range of 5,000 miles, that has been in development since 1986. Others speculate that it is a new generation of nuclear weapon that would render America’s nascent missile defence shield redundant. The Russian weapon, it is claimed, would have a warhead that could detach itself from the main missile during the final phases of its flight and continue as a separate projectile, capable of evading missile defences.
Mr Putin’s upbeat assessment of the country’s nuclear capability clashes sharply with recent Russia media reports, which claim the country’s ballistic missile programme is in danger of collapse.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=585067
© 2004 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd
Puffadder where are you…??? 😉
It seems that during the KYSEA meeting last week it was decided to hold an international competition for the 4th generation fighter for the PA instead of ordering directly the Typhoon.
The article is in Greek
http://ta-nea.dolnet.gr/neaweb/nsearch.print_unique?entypo=A&f=18095&m=N15&aa=1
The Montreux Convention (Protocol) provides for the free passage through the Dardanelles and despite recent Turkish legistlation that tries to override it, and pose restrictions on maritime traffic, its provisions are clear and bounding.