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  • in reply to: Quiz time #2675305
    fantasma_337
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    Ahhhh, thank you Santa!!!

    -4d- HAI at Tanagra.

    -4e- IIRC this year the US Army will stop supporting the Hueys and Bell will take care of the technical support.

    -8f- Bagram Frogfoots…? If you mean the Badger bases I don’t remember them… 🙁

    in reply to: Guess the airplane and air force #2676154
    fantasma_337
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    Well no one bothered to click the link… :rolleyes:

    Anyway as Icarus said the pilot is a Greek born USAF officer, as seen by the shoulder Captain’s bars (mentioned by Sean), the crew chief has a barely visible “Greek LANTIRN” shoulder patch:

    http://clubs.pathfinder.gr/Patch_Collectors/48192?album=15715&zoom=1

    and is exchanging it with Capt. Stylianopoulos who probably has taken of his patch. Very good observation Eric!

    As for the a/c wears the “Ghost” camouflage scheme. Its probably a two seater and taking into account that 347 Mira (Squadron) is the one using LANTIRN, its a block 50 Have Blue.

    http://www.usafe.af.mil/news/news00/uns00011.htm

    http://www.usafe.af.mil/news/news00/uns00013.htm

    in reply to: Guess the airplane and air force #2676518
    fantasma_337
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    http://www.codeonemagazine.com/

    The official magazine of LMTAS, where this photograph comes from…

    Well I mixed it up with AF.mil… :rolleyes: You did’nt even attach it from your computer and the link is there for everyone to see…
    Yes I know it’s a trick question, but you did everything to reveal the answer ( to those who did’nt know it already…)

    Can I have my double Whopper now??? And PLEASE take Mad Madeleine off, I’m trying to eat here… Mercy…!!!

    in reply to: Guess the airplane and air force #2676539
    fantasma_337
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    You have been reading Code One Burger man?

    Actualy the camouflage pattern and the landscape are a dead giveaway…

    Arthur where’s your next quiz…????

    in reply to: Greece ordre Mica and Scalp #2681427
    fantasma_337
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    The F.1CG airframes left are 24 IIRC. 19 were flying upon retirement and 5 were already stored. There were inspected by Jordanian and Iranian officers and I’m not sure if the Czechs visited Tanagra also…

    They were retired for financial reasons since PA is trying to decrease the number of types in service as soon as possible… Probably after 2010 only 3 types will remain, F-16’s, M2K’s and Typhoons…

    SCALP’s are used against high priority targets with lots of SAM protection.

    Photo Copyright 332 Mira

    in reply to: Greece ordre Mica and Scalp #2682198
    fantasma_337
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    The deal includes also 50 Mica launchers.

    http://www.naftemporiki.gr/news/static/03/12/22/858101.htm

    IIRC on 22 Aug 00 a contract ffor 200 MICA’s (RF and IR) and 56 SCALP’s was signed, so this looks like a follow on like Mystic J said…

    fantasma_337
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    Go Grippen!

    Vortex, I never mentioned SoCal… I’m in NoCal actually… 😉

    Regarding the amount of money spent in r&d in military projects, there can be no comparison, the US spends waaay more $ then Europe and that makes the difference… However your notion of “delussions” and “awe” is not only not true, but imho naive, simplistic and frankly, biased…

    Sauron regarding the F-16, having more powerful powerplants, new electronics suite and longer range weapons make it a “new” aircraft and that speaks about the quality of the design aerodynamics ( and not the structural quality whichis under par ) that is still competitive in the wvr range…

    in reply to: Czech Republic chooses Swedish Gripen fighters over US F-16s #2684860
    fantasma_337
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    Well Sauron, today’s F-16 Block 52+/60’s have nothing to do with the earlier F-16 versions… It’s essentially a different a/c…

    Burger Man, the Grippen would be a good choice for Greece IF the THK situation was different… What is needed now is a pure air superiority fighter. Since the F-22 is out of reach, the F-35 is not a dogfighter and the Su-xx/F-15H were rejected, the Typhoon was the best choice…

    BTW I’m in California right now and I can tell you that it rains a lot, as usual this time of year…

    fantasma_337
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    The Polish F-16 deal has, imho political side to it also, although I have to agree with Steve regarding his “bragging rights”
    remark…. The US has “stepped in” a former WP air force and this will have longterm effect in the spare parts/ technical support deals the Poles will make in the following years… IIRC the Polish F-16’s are brand new ones, right…?

    Adding also to the OT economics analysis here, Distiller is dead right in his “weak US$” point, although imho this is done for political reasons also, since a “strong € illusion” is perfect to keep the Europeans away from the US$…

    in reply to: Iraqi planes found by US/GB troops ! #2686056
    fantasma_337
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    AP Photo/Hadi Mizban

    in reply to: Iraqi planes found by US/GB troops ! #2686060
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    Iraqi Air Force Jets Head to the Junkyard
    Tue Dec 9, 1:44 AM ET

    By SLOBODAN LEKIC, Associated Press Writer

    BAGHDAD, Iraq – Following the Biblical call to turn swords into ploughshares, junkyard owner Ahmad Ali Thalib is converting scrapped jet fighters into pots and pans.

    Standing beside the gutted remains of a MiG-25 — capable of flying nearly three times the speed of sound — Thalib joked that in recent months he has destroyed more aircraft of the once-proud Iraqi Air Force than had all of its assorted enemies put together. The tons of duraluminium and other metals that are recoverable from each warplane are worth a small fortune to scrap metal dealers in Iraq (news – web sites) and neighboring countries.

    “We’re also selling to scrap dealers in Lebanon, Turkey and Iran, but some of this ends up as cooking containers for Iraqis,” he said.

    “At least these planes are now useful to people,” he said tapping on the triangular green national insignia on the MiG’s flank.

    The now-defunct Iraqi Air Force was once considered the best in the Arab world. Founded in 1931, it fought in numerous conflicts in the Middle East, battling the British in 1941 and Israel in 1948 and 1967.

    Iraq’s armed forces were officially disbanded in May, after the U.S.-led coalition occupied Baghdad and ended Saddam Hussein (news – web sites)’s dictatorship. Although Washington is now scrambling to set up a new army to deal with an escalating rebellion, there are no immediate plans to resurrect military aviation.

    Saddam invested a huge portion of the country’s oil wealth to equip the Air Force, which was used to some effect during the 1980-88 war with Iran. At its zenith in the late 1980s, it listed nearly 750 combat aircraft in its inventory, including Soviet MiGs and Sukhois and French Mirage fighters.

    A parallel construction program resulted in a massive expansion of Iraq’s aviation infrastructure. At the end of the war with Iran, the service had no less than 24 fully equipped air bases and about 30 emergency dispersal fields.

    But the air force took a beating after the invasion of Kuwait in 1990, when the U.S.-led aerial onslaught during the first Gulf War (news – web sites) severely depleted its ranks. Hundreds of planes either fled to neighboring Iran — where they were inducted into the Iranian Air Force — or were destroyed in the fighting.

    Subsequent U.N. sanctions only made things worse. Hundreds of planes were cannibalized for spare parts, and by 2002 only 100 airworthy jets remained in squadron service.

    One Iraqi MiG-23 was sent for servicing to Yugoslavia before the invasion of Kuwait and has remained there and now is in Belgrade’s aviation museum.

    The Air Force played no role in the latest war. Instead, it desperately sought to protect its assets either by hiding them, or burying them in the desert.

    After the war, U.S. teams hunting for alleged weapons of mass destruction found dozens of intact fighter jets buried beneath the sand, including the Mach 3-capable MiG-25s. Others were hidden in groves of trees and covered with thick camouflage netting.

    Today, hundreds of derelict planes litter abandoned air bases, rusting in the winter rains and providing scrap metal dealers with a bonanza in aluminum and other metals.

    Thalib said that the 50 MiG-23s and MiG-25s strewn across the muddy scrapyard on Baghdad’s northern outskirts were once worth nearly a billion dollars. He said he purchased the entire fleet for $150,000 from a contractor engaged by the Americans to clear the derelict aircraft from a former air base.

    Workers moved among the plane carcasses, cutting them up with blowtorches and removing aluminum, copper, steel and electrical wiring from fuselages or engine casings.

    Scrap aluminum is worth $750 per ton in Iraq, he said, while the going price in neighboring countries is about than three times that.

    “No wonder we are so popular,” Thalib said. “But just looking at all this makes me very sad. It’s junk now, but it cost the people of Iraq billions of dollars.”

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031209/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_scrapped_jets_2

    in reply to: 100 years of Aviation. #2688813
    fantasma_337
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    ARHYTAS

    Seems that the controvesry regarding the first filght will never go away… I wonder what would Arhytas and Da Vinci have to say about that…

    from the December 03, 2003 edition –
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1203/p01s01-ussc.html

    Another ‘plane,’ and legend, to rival the Wrights’ flight
    By Kris Axtman | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
    PITTSBURG, TEXAS – Glenn Gordon learned at an early age that it was best to keep quiet about his grandfather’s flying machine. Maybe it was the incessant teasing or the utter disbelief that kept him from telling the story of how his grandfather, the Rev. Burrell Cannon, built a contraption and flew it a whole year before the Wright brothers.

    “Well, nobody ever believed me and kids just laughed at me. So I learned to just zip it up,” says Mr. Gordon, more than 60 years later.

    Now, as celebrations approach for the 100th anniversary of the Wright brothers’ 12-second flight on Dec. 17, 1903, residents in this tiny east Texas town are telling the tale again – this time without shame or reservation.

    They claim man’s first powered flight happened not near Kitty Hawk, N.C. – as the world believes – but in a pasture on the outskirts of Pittsburg, Texas. It was called the Ezekiel Airship and here is its story: One Sunday in 1902, the crude “plane” – which looked like a cross between a moth and a paddleboat – was wheeled to a nearby field. After the pilot started the engine, the airship lurched forward before rising into the air about 10 to 12 feet. It drifted toward a fence, scattering the children perched there. It then vibrated so violently that the pilot cut the engine and sailed to earth.

    Since none of the witnesses are alive, it’s hard to determine the distance it flew or length of time it was airborne. But the few existing documents do challenge one of the most monumental feats in American history.

    “People ask me all the time, did it really fly?” says local historian Lacy Davis. “Well, it depends on what you consider flying. I believe that it actually lifted off the ground. I believe it traveled some distance through the air and then landed. But was it under control during its flight? That is the big question.”

    Let’s get one thing clear: Pittsburg does not claim to be the birthplace of flight because, as so many here say, the airship’s flight was not well documented or reproduced, like the Wright brothers’. But residents do feel slighted in history and want a little recognition for the Reverend Cannon and his efforts in reaching the heavens, or at least momentarily defying gravity.

    Indeed, it has been said that his inspiration came from the heavens. The Baptist minister was obsessed with the Biblical Book of Ezekiel, which he believed held the blueprints for getting closer to God – or, in this case, flight. He was particularly intrigued by Ezekiel’s vision of living creatures lifted up from earth by wheels, zeroing in on the passages that describe “a wheel within a wheel.”

    A sawmill operator and machinist by trade, Cannon convinced the townsfolk that his airship could fly. After setting up the Ezekiel Air Ship Manufacturing Company in 1900, he began selling stock at $25 a share. Excitement was so high, the stock was selling for $1,000 a share a year later. He raised $20,000 and began building.

    It’s a bird, it’s a plane
    The result was a machine that took off like an airplane, landed like a helicopter, and was flown, sort of, like a kite. The gasoline-powered engine turned four sets of paddles mounted on wheels. Sitting in the center, the pilot could control the angle of the paddles with a lever. The craft sprouted fabric-covered wings that spanned 26 feet.

    “You have to understand that nobody had an airplane yet, so nobody knew what it was supposed to look like,” says John Holman, standing beneath a replica. Last year, he and Mr. Davis published “On the Wings of Ezekiel,” which compiles all that is known about the project.

    After its flight in the pasture that Sunday morning, Cannon loaded the aircraft on a train bound for St. Louis, site of the 1903 World’s Fair. A reward for $100,000 and the fame of being the first in flight was being offered to anyone who made a “sustained controlled flight.” But a violent storm blew it off the flatbed near Texarkana, smashing it to pieces.

    All that remains is a handful of stock certificates, weathered work orders from the machine shop, a 1901 photograph, and dog-eared newspaper clippings. The rest is memories.

    For years, townsfolk who’d been stripped of their money and dreams did not speak of the project. But anger slowly subsided, and in 1977, the town convinced the Texas Historical Commission to erect a marker at the edge of the pasture where the airship flew, reading that it was “briefly airborne at this site late in 1902.”

    That revived interest among a new generation and, in the mid-1980s, a local carpenter built a full-sized replica, put on display at a restaurant until being moved to the Northeast Texas Rural Heritage Museum in 1998.

    Celebrating local legends
    Today, it is the town’s biggest draw, especially as the 100th anniversary of the Wright brothers’ flight has approached. David Abernathy, mayor of Pittsburg for 50 years, says getting attention for the airship has been a top priority, even though he admits “it was not a controlled flight, like the Wright brothers’.”

    Indeed, say aviation experts, Orville and Wilbur proved time and again that they could get their craft in the air and keep it there. They were also masters at marketing, making sure the media was at every event. Cannon, on the other hand, did neither.

    “We don’t claim to be the birthplace of flight and we aren’t trying to debunk the Wright brothers,” says Mr. Holman, walking toward the grassy site of the Ezekiel’s maiden voyage. “But Reverend Cannon was an outstanding pre-Wright inventor and he deserves a lot more credit than he’s gotten.”

    For Cannon’s grandson, Glenn, the goal is more than recognition or being able to say, “I told you so” to boyhood friends. It’s about family pride. “We are really proud of my grandfather and what he accomplished. And we want everybody to know about it.”

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    in reply to: World F-16 Operators – The Best Versus The Worst #2692289
    fantasma_337
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    The Greek Air Force officers saw the F-16N’s in 1988 wearing the Ghost scheme (previously worn by Aggressor F-5E’s/ and A-4’s), and decided do adopt it also. From what I have heard from pilots, its extremely effective and doesn’t only “look good”…

    http://flightsimplanet.com/image2/hafb52.jpg
    Photo LMTAS

    in reply to: My turn for a Quiz! #2696175
    fantasma_337
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    Sorry to hear that Ja, all the best to your father…

    Regarding -4.C-, there was no encounter between Turkish F-100’s and Greek F-102’s, so prpbably the Vietnam sorties were the first a-a battles for the Super Sabre… OTOH at least 3 Turkish F-100’s were shot down by Turkish Fletcher Class DD’s (Kocatepe, Adatepe & Tinaztepe or Cakmak), when they mistook them for Greek Navy DD’s on 21 July 1974, probably more were lost as they returned to their bases.

    Those THK Super Sabres lost in the Kocatepe sinking fratricide incident, that we know about, were:

    F-100D “55-2825” of 111 Filo
    F-100C “54-2083” of 112.Filo
    F-100D “54-2238″(?) of 172 Filo

    Also F-104G “64-17783″(?)of 141 Filo was probably lost also in the fratricide attack.

    Also THK F-100’s were involved in the 8 August 1964 attacks in Cyprus, with F-100D “55-2766” beng shot down by ground fire, without any contact with Greek fighter planes.

    http://turkishwings.tripod.com/f-100/55-2825.html

    http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_297.shtml

    Total number of THK F-100’s lost in the 1974 invasion of Cyprus was, at least, 8.

    As for the encounter between Greek F-5A’s and Turkish F-102A’s, see here:

    http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_298.shtml

    in reply to: Ju-52 3m salvaged in Greece #2104407
    fantasma_337
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    Mprabo!!!

    Good work George!!!

    Topic already covered here 😉 :

    http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16281&highlight=Lerostp

    And I see you have contributed more photos here:

    http://www.geocities.com/hjunkers/ju_ju52_m23a.htm

    The Junkers was part of operation Leopard and carried troops of the Brandenburg Division:

    http://www.leros.org/lerostouristhttp/ageanmis.pdf

    Let’s hope the HAF Museum will be given more funds and men in order to expand its activities…

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