Alithos o Kyrios !!!
Go easy on the lamb Puffy… 😉
Interesting camouflage indeed, what’s it called, “Andean snow”?
Introducing another type, especially as expensive as the Rafale, its a luxury Chile probably can’t afford.. If the money is available, then more 50+’s will be the logical cost effective choice…
B50 –> GE engine
B52 –> PW engine
B50+ –> GE engine with CFT’s , JHMCS etc…
B52+ –> PW engine with CFT’s, JHMCS etc…
Rush …. ehhh, Distiller, the Saudis can even buy the enemy’s pilots in order to get shot down as well…
Puffadder, the longer the nails, the better the rugged construction of the Typhoon… 😀 . You could try with pins and say it started to break up, but now… :rolleyes:
The Karamanlis visit to Schroeder last month was the ‘reviving’ factor… Anyway EADS owns both the Typhoon & Rafale… Quite schizophrenic imho…
Better book your ticket for September Puffy… The M2K seat is waiting for you…:D
Yes Aianta (Ajax), you are correct, the main role is a-a and the secondary is a-g. The PI2000 can shoot AMRAAM at an F-16 before the later can pick it up on its radar so Phantom your assumption is in general correct.
Greek F-4E PI2000-AUP are usually referred to as a-a platforms but actually have a dual role. Aias they are used in interceptions and their tactics against the F-16 has changed dramatically the last months when they undertake readiness duties…
http://tlp.scramble.nl/tlp2005-2.htm
More F-16 for now, Typhoon or Rafale for 2010 or later and F-35 for 2015 and later…
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1687461,00.html
There was no “mini war” between Greece and Albania, there was a Greek civil war during which Stalin and Hoxha supported the communist side which was provided with camps weapons and supplies inside Albania and Yugoslavia, in violation of the freshly signed UN charter. Legaly Greece remained in a state of war since the Italians and their Albanian puppets invaded Greece on October 28th 1940 (are there any a/c wrecks from WW2 surviving in Albania?) until 1987 when Albania started to come out of its self imposed isolation.
The aircraft looks like a Stearman.
Yes Stefan and for the remainder of the cruise the pilot had the wings on his uniform folded as well…
http://www.vmf235.com/crusader.html
and especially this:
http://www.vmf235.com/f8_wingsfolded.jpg
😮
The MICA has a greater range than AMRAAM and that was one of the main reasons for upgrading the Greek M2K’s. The drag of a B52+ CFT is 15% more, which makes it equivalent to that of a Sidewinder… BTW a block 30 has better characteristics in WVR combat than later blocks…
The F-5s are to be upgraded, if they are going to be purchased. But again, that is just one of the offers available now…and the selection of which won’t happen for another 5 years…so probably something totally different will be chosen then.
This will mean that the F-5 that were not upgraded in F-5/2000 standard, will be +5 years in storage and their condition probably worst than what they are now… Again for a symbolic 100$ price you can bet that the upgrade will be undertaken by Turkish companies, would recquire hard cash and it will be significantly more than 100$…
Secondly, our pilots are being trained in Turkey and Italy on new types…as well as with the help of the US in Albania itself (flight simulators have been installed at the AF academy). The helicopter pilots get plenty of flight time…they are very active in carrying out all sorts of missions…and most of them are former fighter pilots or helicopter pilots with many years of experience. The fighter force doesn’t get as much however since the fighter wing is on its last leg now…and won’t return to service until 5 years from now.
Sending few pilots to other countries and logging simulator hours does not qualify for flight training. Former pilots that were not current to their types and flew for years the hours that other contries’ pilots log in a month, are not the ideal material for a demanding flight schedule. In order to train pilots you need to start with cadets that are going to follow a rigorous and hard training, with lots of hours… Again this -except from the help of experienced instructor pilots- needs money, and you don’t send them directly to fighters just for prestige reasons…
As for being a “yes man” and losing “credibility” or “bargaining power”, thats the typical Greek view of things so I expected that. For us its not about being a “yes man” at all…but it is working and cooperating with valuable allies who have been good allies to us and who have done so much for us already (Kosova, aid to the army and so forth).
My friend, wanna ask the Turks their opinion about this type of ‘alliance‘…? What is ‘typical‘ is the rather naive view that the willing submission to the tune of a superpower is a ‘valuable‘ alliance for a country like Albania. There is no such thing as a free meal in the real world. The only thing that matters is realpolitik. Other countries had similar views 60 years ago and later found out the hard reality… Time for you to go through this maturing process now, so be sure to wear a helmet, you are entering a hazard zone…
BTW the ‘typical’ Greek view is the one of Democracy (Demos + Kratos) where the people has a saying to what the state will do and not vice versa… In a Democracy the people have the right do disagree with allies and superpowers and care little for freeloaders. Now try to be more friendly and don’t use stereotypes, its not very helpful…
I guess Turkey is eager to get rid of them.
Exactly. And don’t think that 100$ is not without a catch… The Turkish F-5s that were not upgraded to F-5/2000 are old and with few hours left in their airframes. Avionics wise they are in the early 60s, not very modern at all… If however their SLEP and possible(?) avionics upgrade is undertaken by Turkish companies with Albanian money, then probably its a possibility… If you think German MiG-29’s are costly, wait till you see what a fiscal year 1965 F-5 can cost…
as well as military airfields which can be used at will…which may not be the case with airfields in Greece for example.
Becoming a Yes-man all the time does not give you bargaining power, lowers your credibility, but then again after 45 years of Hoxha its understandable to move to the other extreme… BTW Aktion AB is a forward deployment base for E-3’s while Souda is used 24/7 by the USN, USAF, RAF, RN, LW etc, especially in times of crisis were the amount of flying that goes on increases dramaticaly… Same goes for Incirlik…
Lika’s view is more realistic, look for more helos and emphasis in training. Training means flying hours, flying hours mean lots of fuel and spare parts, spare parts mean qualified technicians and flowing logistics base. In 2 words people + money… Lots of them…
Block “52” is the same as the block “50”, except for the engine, the blocks with have GE engine while the ones with the 2 a PW one. Block 52+ however is something different and much closer to Block 60 (better radar, CFT’s JHMCS etc).
HAF F-16C Block 52+, 343 Mira, Souda Crete:
http://hafcphotos.cs.net/photo_viewer_detail.cfm?photoid=149584
HAF Mirage 2000-5 MkII, 114PM, Tanagra
http://hafcphotos.cs.net/photo_viewer_detail.cfm?photoid=149585
HAF F-16 Block 50, 341 Mira, Nea Anchialos
http://hafcphotos.cs.net/photo_viewer_detail.cfm?photoid=160620
Hi,
I just would like to rectify the following:
Mr. Cooper likes to think so high of himself but F-16.net did absolutely NOT plagiarise him. It may be what he’s telling everyone, but I can assure you that it is not true.
The lists from Acig articles were copied and pasted by people who did not even bother to read what they plagiarised… They could not tell the difference between a claim and a confirmed kill… :dev2:
The Editors of AFM and F-16.net were contacted and responded accordingly…
Besides, a kill is a kill. Perhaps Mr. Cooper thinks he can claim copyright on them?
Provided you have no source, you done no research, you crosschecked nothing, you use the same information in the same format, the answer is yes.
Mr. Coopers first statement was untrue, the second statement hoewever is a downright lie. Ts ts ts… 🙂
Mr Whitty, your statements are downright untrue and insulting…