You can buy training services from the UK, or France or Italy or many other nations cheaper than you can purchase and maintain your own fleet of under-utilized training aircraft.
You need a certain level of yearly student throughput to justify having your own training capability. And smaller Air Forces simply don’t have sufficient student throughput.
But if you desire trainers to satisfy a misguided sense of national pride, that is another matter.
Lets look at this in another way
Are you going to have a very expensive (to buy and operate) all F-35 fleet; or you could have a combination of a smaller F-35 fleet for high risk operations, plus a low cost supersonic fighter trainer for QRA, air policing, CAS in permisive airspace and of course LIFT? Isn’t using F-35 for peacetime QRA and air policing also a misguided sense of national pride? Belgium is looking at getting like 34 F-35; is that the best solution or something like 18 F-35 plus 36 low cost supersonic fighter trainers (from the T-X competition, or the FA-50 maybe) be better?
Belgium formally launches fighter replacement effort
54 f-16 with 34 new fighters.
should it be 1 type of high end fighters? or 1 hi end and 1 low end for qra and LIFT replacing alpha jets?
24 T-50s for Iraq cost them $1.1 billion. Unlikely to be cheaper for Bulgaria.
12 FA-50PH for philippines cost $425 million, and 16 T-50I for indonesia cost $400 million.
Bulgarian fighter replacement
I would think that the package is impossible at that price, whether it be second hand F-16’s needing an upgrade or new Gripen C’s. Perhaps the supply of Italian tranche 1 Typhoons for next to nothing would make it possible within the budget.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bulgaria-receives-responses-in-fighter-contest-435226/
$823 million is quite a decent amount of budget for a buy of 8 fighters. That could easily buy 8 or more Gripen C/D. In comparison Romanian F-16 buy of 12 F-16 MLU Blk15 plus 13 Embedded Global Positioning Systems/Inertial Navigation Systems (EGPS/INS) with GPS Security Devices, 3 AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Countermeasure Pods, 30 AIM-120C Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM), 5 AIM-120C Captive Air Training Missiles (CATMs), 60 AIM-9M Sidewinder Missiles, 4 AIM-9M CATMs, 48 LAU-129 Launchers, 10 GBU-12 Enhanced Guided Bomb Units, 18 AGM-65H/KB Maverick Missiles, 4 AGM-65 CATMs, 15 Multifunctional Information Distribution System/Low Volume Terminals and 2 Multifunctional Information Distribution System Ground Support Systems trainings and support just cost $457 million.
It would be very2 enticing to get 2nd hand Typhoons but I would rather skip the high operating costs and expensive upgrades and go for brand new Gripen C/D’s.
Or if air policing and QRA is the main purpose, go for low operating costs and get 24 KAI FA-50 Fighting Eagles for the $823 million and call it a day.
botswana
Botswana Defence Force Air Wing
in june 2016 the country has confirmed negotiations to buy between 8 and 12 Gripen C/D units at a potential cost of $1.7 billion. but after much deliberation it is decided that gripens are actually too advanced for the requirements of BDF air wing. the available budget of $1.7 billion would be used to modernise the whole air wing instead.
brazil
– 3 kc-390 to replace the c-130b ($300 million)
– 12 emb-314 super tucano ($220 million)
– 1 emb-135bj legacy 650 vip to replace the gulfstream iv ($34 million)
korea
– 12 kai fa-50bw fighter aircaft to replace the cf-5a/d ($500 million)
switzerland
– 6 pilatus pc-24 utility jet to replace beech 200 king air. 2 to be fitted with ISR equipments ($80 million)
– additional 7 pc-7 mkII to add to the current 5 ($40 million)
italy
– 10 leonardo aw139 helicopter to replace bell 412 ($160 million)
– 12 leonardo aw009 (pzl sw-4) to replace as350 ($15 million)
– 16 tecnam p2010 basic trainer/liaison/border patrol ($6 million)
a total spend of $1.4 billion.
There you have it, a thoroughly modernised air force for less cost than the proposed saab gripen buy.
Basically anything from Sweden, Italy, Spain (casa), Brazil, India, Indonesia, Switzerland…
BTW how would you view the KAI T-50? It is a design specific to a korean requirement, by a US company. The M-349 is basically a Russian design so how would you see this too.
if it were me, and its Estonia, i’d probably make it
12 x F/A-50 Golden Eagle variant for attack
6 x T-50 for training
6 x KT-1 for basic trainingReplace the helicopters with Surion and Dhruv
this would likely be a bit more nato comptabble
Well, the total estonian defence expenditure for 2017 is only Euro 477 million…
To have korean and indian equipments, the modernisation budget for the airforce would need to stretch to at least usd1 billion.
For air policing duties, the L-15, fitted with NATO compatible missiles, radios and IFF, there should be no issues for integration into NATO air defence structure, as per the Polish MiGs.
As for the chinese helicopters, they are basically copies of eurocopter squirel and dauphin.
A very interesting idea…
I’ll add a little bit more challenge to myself.
The airforce should be a small country with no current fighters/MPA/transports, with a modernisation budget of only USD400 million.
I’ll pick Estonia for my plan
Trainer
– 12 SME MD-3 Aerotiga (usd3 million)
– 6 Hongdu K-8 (usd40 million)
Fighter
– 12 Hongdu L-15 (usd200 million)
Transport/MPA
– 4 Y-12F (usd20 million)
– 2 IPTN CN-235-220 (usd50 million)
Helicopters
– 6 Avic Z-11 (usd20 million)
– 6 Avic Z-9 (usd50 million)
VIP
– 1 Honda Jet (usd5 million)
I don’t understand why is IAF so critical of the tejas. Why are they expecting a supercar quality and performance out of basically a fighter equivalent of a Maruti Suzuki? Even if the tejas is only 80% of their expectations that is more than good enough. You could always trump quality with quantity, and at around 20million a pop you could get more tejas than a f-16 for example. And I believe there is only a marginal performance difference between the tejas and the gripen. Looking at how the Indian bureaucracy moves at a glaciers pace, it would be a surprise if the new single engine fighter competition would be signed before 2020, and first examples delivered before 2025. And that is like 10 years wasted when they should preservere and concentrate on the tejas.
I thought the whole rafale saga is bad enough, and now they even manage to top it off with a new imported single engine fighter competition, which will definitely kill the tejas. While other countries like south Korea and Turkey are looking to design their own fighers, India having build one is going to search for yet another foreign type. This wpuld be the end of india’s ingenious fighter design capability. However unsatisfactory the tejas and hal is, the IAF need to support it 100% and by hook need to make the tejas its main fighter fleet. China didn’t get to the current level of fighter aircraft development in a few fortnight. You don’t learn to design good fighters without doing mistakes. When every small mistake is judged extremely critically, and you don’t support your locally designed fighter it would just kill your ingenious knowhow of figher design. Without self reliance of designing your own defence products, India would never be a major power that could compete with China for influence in the region.
The UN put forth a framework for the investigation that everyone agreed to but then the western authroties just scrapped it.
Ehem… Who veto’ed the mh17 resolution in UN?
As for flying in war zones, remember a Singapore Airlines jet was flying just about 5-10minutes behind the MH17 during the incident. I personally has flown over Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan for flights from Europe to south east Asia, it is a normal route for most airlines, not just malaysian.
The question is, what is the cost of a basic training only m-346? How much would it cost to add the fighting functuons onto the m-346? Would it cost more than a tejas or a fa-50? Is there a considerable advantage of using the m-346ft rather than something like the super tucano in a CAS mission?
Bolivian Air Force is looking to replace old T-33 trainer aircraft
Would be a good topic to discuss.
New tucanos? Additional k-8’s? Used pc-7’s? L-39ng’s?
The scorpions price tag of 20mil a pop is not cheap enough for what it is. You can get jf-17 for that kind of pricetag. For long endurance surveillance missions, you want to stretch out, go to the wc during the mission, and that means pc-12 or kingairs.
Even the Scottish is undecided if a second independence referendum in the near future would be good for them. The EU on the brink of collapse is not the best thing for Scotland to join, and they will have to shoulder more share subsidising of poor EU economies.
In the near future the UK imo should try and get closer to the other commonwealth countries (Australia, NZ, etc).