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  • in reply to: New Boomerang #1194615
    Proctor VH-AHY
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    Gooday All

    Great news, if my memory serves me correctly, the original Boomerang went from an idea to a flying machine in a very short period of time (was it 13 weeks?) Nowdays the bean counters wouldn’t haven’t raised the job numbers to book the costs to in less than a year.

    We really have problems with speed of decision making these days.

    Looks like Mathew at the controls in thet piccy of the Boomerang taxiing

    cheers

    in reply to: DH-84a Dragon, G-ECAN #1196828
    Proctor VH-AHY
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    Gooday All

    What happened to the DH Dragon fuselage re/built by Mothcair (Chalinor Bros – Murwillumbah, Australia) and exported to the UK?

    Has the aeroplane been completed and in flying condition?

    cheers

    in reply to: Air Displays – Cost versus Duration? #1212453
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    fuel burn during the display is the cheapest part.

    I have done a number of displays at air shows and the issues that are needed to consider are:

    * Ferry time there and back; – say 45 minutes each way (90 minutes total)
    * Transit/holding time waiting clearance to do display run; and – say 20 minutes
    * actual display time. – say 10 minutes

    It is common to hold for 15 to 20 minutes (or longer if an airshow is running late)

    Its not just a simple time-over-target equasion. So to simply increase the display time doesn’t generate a similar increase in costs.

    In the case above total flying time is 120 minutes for a 10 minute display.

    cheers

    in reply to: Nieuport Type 12 replica prang and write off #1219034
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    How sad that after all the work that it’s destroyed shortly after it’s first flight.

    Glad he’s recovering and already planning for his next project.

    I think it had done about half a dozen flights, mostly just short ones. Interestingly there is another Nieuport replica about ready to do its first flight at Watts Bridge (similar colour scheme).

    That one is a Type 11??. In the plans for it, there are two sizes for the rudder, one 28 inches high, the other 32 inches high. If I can get some video of it flying, I will put up a posting.

    cheers

    in reply to: The dark side of aircraft salvage #1231625
    Proctor VH-AHY
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    Proctor VH-AHY.

    Personally, I do not in any way disagree with your notion that restoring these warbirds to flight is anything other than a “good” thing. However, that is a long way removed from your notion that, at the same time, the mortal remains of those who died and the proper memorialisation/recovery/burial of those individuals doesn’t matter. In my view it matters greatly. I suspect your view is very much in the minority. But, as you say, you are entitled to that view.

    I don’t remember saying to treat the remains with disrespect. I did say they could be just a pile of crumbling bones.

    Lets stick to what was actually said in the various postings. I DID make the point that in a practical sense that a living ongoing memory invoked by seeing and flying the restored aeroplane is BETTER than having a deteriorating wreak buried in the jungle of New Guinea or on some Pacific island – one that is never or only very very occasionally visited.

    I did say that within the next not-so-many years that anyone who knew the deceased would also be deceased, and likely the next generation as well.

    I pose the question, when did you last visit the grave of your great-great-grandfather and be honest with your answers.

    I have noticed a tendency on this forum for people to make long-winded answers and to attribute attitudes and inferences that in fact weren’t made.

    Please read and assimilate what was actually said. I am not talking about Tangmere 1940 here

    Paul – its just a statement of fact – they are “old Bones” it is the context and the memories associated with the bones that are important. My view is that the restored aeroplane serves as the focus for the memory. Here is a suggestion – get some of the personal effects and build them into the restored aeroplane as a on-going tribute to the original crew. Don’t think it has been done but it really make the connection between the past the contemporary

    regards

    in reply to: The dark side of aircraft salvage #1233059
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    IIt seems fair game to desecrate cemeteries….St Pancras in London being one of many that got the Victorian equivalent of bulldozing.

    Happens all the time. In Brisbane Lang Park, the major Rugby League venue is built over a former cemetary, Hales Street, a major thru road was recently build thru a cemetary – the list goes on. As I understand it, you do not have an indefinite right over a grave plot.

    Marking long postings doesn’t add weight to an arguement – to me having an aeroplane restored and flying and people recounting its history including its last wartime flight and remembering who piloted that flight has a lot more significance and is TRUELY remembering them, than having a slowly deteriorating wreck in some obscure place that is never or only very occasionally visited.

    Dead is dead – nothing left but the memories, the memories are the enduring aspect of a persons life.

    cheers

    in reply to: The dark side of aircraft salvage #1160052
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    Mark

    Obviously you are a fully-paid up member of the human race as well and have your views – good for you. In regards to this they are different to mine, thankfully we don’t all have the same view.

    With regards to my friends, they are dead – that is it – dead. I am sure that if aeroplanes that they died in were able to be rebuilt and to fly again, then that would have been an acceptable outcome for them. I will tempt fate, that also applies to me. By the way I have a son in the military and am sensitive to these issues.

    There is too much political correctness comming into this issue. The people concerned died over 60 years ago in tragic circumstances in another 40 years anyone who ever knew them will be well and truely dead.

    Nothing will remain but a memory (and maybe a few old bones), the memory will not be of smiles, laughter and personal contact, rather just a bit of writing somewhere, maybe a name and some details in some history book.

    Sorry not enough for me, give me a live breathing aeroplane and all the feelings that envokes. I sometimes sit in the seat of my Tiger Moth (RAAF A17-300) and dream of who has sat there before, what did they do during WW2 – that is a living memory and I am sure that those in the future who sit in that same seat will have similar day-dreamings.

    cheers

    in reply to: The dark side of aircraft salvage #1160156
    Proctor VH-AHY
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    Hello All

    I find it interesting to contemplate the attitudes displayed over “remains”.

    Increasingly people are cremated as opposed to burried. Graves are unvisited the ashes of the dead pose a problem for the survivors and are often “thrown to the winds”. In western cultures at least, most people these days put very little value on the graves of their anticedents.

    Yet when it comes to military graves its a different story and I don’t need to elaborate.

    My opinion is you can identify the aeroplane and it is rebuilt to flying and that history made a living thing, that is a lot better than getting to troubled about a bunch of crumbled bones. A crude approach I am sure, but as I often say “I am a fully paid up member of the human race and entitled to a view”.

    There is logic in my view and all-in-all it could be the best outcome for a tragic event.

    cheers

    Proctor VH-AHY
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    When its all said and done, Air Shows are entertainment for the masses (bread and circuses), the commentary is part of the package.

    Sure for the purist, its a lot more and I do like the sound of some aeroplane engines, but when I do go to an airshow, its about getting sunburnt, walking miles and looking at a wide range of aeroplanes and other interesting things.

    Having the echo of music and comentary is just part of the experience as is squinting looking into the sun at some aeroplane up in the blue.

    cheers

    in reply to: Insurance – a killer cost for historic aeroplanes #1167730
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    Scion

    Can’t remember, it was years back. He had a friend who had spent 20 years collecting Dragon parts (the ones John & Chalinor purchased) – 26 wings rudders etc buckets and buckets of new parts

    cheers

    in reply to: Insurance – a killer cost for historic aeroplanes #1167752
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    Scion

    Yes the Swallow has been for sale for as long as I can remember, if the right buyer comes along then it goes.

    The Dragon is progressing well. Those dragons originated with an idea I had when I contacted someone adverstsing for Anson drawings. I had a lot of dragon drawings and John and I got together to discuss the possibility of scratch building a Dragon, we both had done a Tiger Project and John had done a big wing repair on the Swallow.

    We decided we really needed the metal fittings for a viable project. I rang the fellow wanting the Anson drawings and at the end of the conversation asked if he knew where any Dragon bits were – YES was the answer. John ended up buying them and then decided to do a joint venture with Nick and Greg at Mothcair and you know the rest.

    cheers

    in reply to: Aircrew Lynching #1171656
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    Creaking Door

    Along a similar line and taking the current Australian Military Attitude to military deaths. It seems to be that if say 10 troops are lost, then the big brass heads roll.

    In WW1 a loss of 10 troops was viewed as nothing to get concerned about, 10,000 before lunch was just bad luck.

    Likewise the loss of aircrew during WW2 in droves, while of a concern in that they were difficult to replace, the loss to humanity and the pain that caused the surviving loved ones wasn’t of particular concern to the top brass.

    Thankfully attitudes have changed.

    cheers

    in reply to: Insurance – a killer cost for historic aeroplanes #1171659
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    Scion

    Interesting about the Klemm L25, I have a BA L25 in the hangar (VH-AAB belongs to John Sinclair) and is for sale

    cheers

    in reply to: Aircrew Lynching #1171699
    Proctor VH-AHY
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    Creaking Door, Galdi, et al

    As I have said you are using situational ethitics to justify what went on. I see postings that in essence say:

    “They did it to us first, so its OK for us to do it”

    “A politican made the decision, I was just following orders” (concentration camp guard excuse)

    “It was done to tie up their resources, so it was OK”

    “Don’t judge people using the politically correct standards of today”

    and of course the great one “Don’t tell me you are saying that the Nazi’s were Ok”

    I can’t alter your mind on these matters, but I do question your logic and sense of what is right and what is wrong.

    Is it OK for civilians to kill downed aircrew, say after they have just firebombed the local city? – it would certainly be understandable if they did.

    Using your logic of “they hurt us first” then I guess you would defend their actions.

    over to you

    cheers

    in reply to: Insurance – a killer cost for historic aeroplanes #1173384
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    Scion

    Different person, different approach, same problem.

    Getting people to sign waivers doesn’t work, you cannot sign away your legal rights, might bluff some people, but at the end of the day a really green legal eagle (blood suckin leach) will advise a way around it.

    Flying is a big risk, taking passengers is a lower risk. the total risk is the sum of them both.

    J Boyle

    I think you are alluding to what the story is based on.

    cheers

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