Attached is a photo from the rear of the fuselage looking towards the front. Bear with me and I should have some more shots.
That is definitely the area of interest, more photos will be great. That will be a great help, photos from the other side as well if possible
Thanks once again, I am thrilled because I this helps fill in an area on the proctor I don’t know well.
Gidday
I have been in contact with Guy and at the moment he hasn’t any of what I want
cheers
I won’t say anything about the Mosquito, as i really don’t know.
What i will say is; that i have met “museum volunteers” who knew more about aircraft work than i do – and I’m 22 years in the business (maintenance).
The words “volunteers” and “amateurs” do not nessesarily mean lack of skill. Just that its not their day-job.
I think the recent posting “Messerschmitt Raised from the Sea During 1976 ” is a good example of the point I was making.
I have read the full thread and it is very confused, primarily my feelings lie with the aircraft and what is best for their restoration preferably to flying. If the end results are that a Mosquito and a Huricrane back in the air then that is definately what should be the end goal. I would hate to think that the aircraft end up as static exhibits in a museum someplace.
Yes if people in Canada are capable of restoring both aircraft (and that’s a very expensive ask) then that would be desirable. Failing that then having one restored and flying in Canada and the other restored and flying somewhere else would be the second best option.
The worst outcome would be the the current status quo ie no progress on the rebuilding these aircraft. There is a lot of outcomes in between the best and worst options.
Huricranes and Mosquitos projects to flying are both achievable and there are people somewhere in the world with both the money and skill to achieve that.
Volunteers are OK to a certain extent, however the usual pattern is that the volunteers have a lot of enthusism and little aeronautical engineering skill – unfortunately (there are exceptions to every rule). My opinion is that the best role for most volunteers is in the fundraising aspects of the project and in the general management of the resources of the project
Having been involved in the restoration of a number of vintage aeroplanes (including 2 of my own) and being a member of a prominant vintage aeroplane group in Australia I appreciate the value of volunteering – however that experience has also taught me that there are limits on what volunteers can achieve on a complex technical project (and both of the aircraft in this case fit that).
Widened up the thread a bit, but still on the general theme of the future of these aircraft in Canada. My opinion as an outsider is sell the Mosquito, keep the Huricrane and focus on it. It has a direct link to wartime Canada and as such has the most historical significience.
Why is it always about the where an aircraft is, why is it not what can be done to get an aircraft back into the air. I for one don’t care if an aeroplane that is in bits and unairworthy is on my side of the world or yours. I would rather see it back in the air – SOMEWHERE.
I presume that if something is going to spend a large bucket of money on purchasing the remains of an aircraft – then it will be restored back to flying condition.
The trouble often is that people get obsessive about the location of an aircraft and that problem obstructs many projects to airworthy getting off the ground. Same arguement applied to private vs public ownership.
Watts Bridge Airfield – Google Earth
Thought I would post a google map link so those of you who are interested can see what is it like from the air. The sat image must be old because there are quite a number of new buildings not shown in the view.
Russian equipment is judged as simple and robust to be operated by everyone.
Having experienced years of hearing that everying built in the USSR was inferior to anything built in the USA, I was surprised when I got to examine Russian aircraft first hand. I am referring to light aircraft up to AN2 size and comparing them to USA light aircraft such as cessna’s, Beechcraft and Pipers.
My impression is the build quality is far higher, greater precision in the fit and very functional designs. USA built could be regarded as over priced here in Australia.
Dustyone
Maybe you might get the owner of the Proctor to get in contact with me. I am currently restoring a proctor in Australia and am likely to be of help with information, drawings and other knowledge.
cheers
Ross
Watts Bridge 2007
Anybody get good pics aircraft at Watts Bridge 2007? The weather was dreadful on the Saturday, however iwas buet on the Sunday of the fly-in and a great number of aircraft arrived for the day. I took some photos and will post some of the more interesting, however I like to see what others may have taken.
cheers
With reference to Proctors, I spoke to Ken Beard earlier this week, as you likely know, he restored VH-AUC. He mentioned that it took him 9 years. I got the last of his Proctor bits and pieces, just a couple of items. Ken is well underway building what looks like a 1/4 scale Proctor Mk1.
cheers
Ross
>> Melbourne Victoria
involved with the Australian National Aviation Museum at Moorabbin
regards
Mark Pilkington
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for dustyone,
we have Proctor VH-AUC at Moorabbin, while VH-DUL is under airworthy restoration elsewhere on the airfield, and a friend of mine in Queensland has the remains of Vega Gull II VH-ACA formerly owned by Lord Casey, for hopefuly long term airworthy restoration.
http://aarg.com.au/Proctor.htm
http://aarg.com.au/ipix_images/VirtualTour5.htm
I almost said A34-13 was written off at my home airfield of Watts Bridge, but it was A34-19 that crashed there.
regards
Ross
sounds like a good (expensive) swap in theory. What is the Australian connection with the Heron prototype (otherthan the fact that its there) ?
Are the Conditions of both airframes equivalent?
How many Aussie Dragons are in oz?…. I think the question is : would it be in the Australian’s interest to swap?….
We have one Dragon (owned by Des Porter and there is a photo of it flying at Watts Bridge on this forum) that is very familar to people attending airshows and vintage aeroplane fly-ins in S.E Queensland, Australia.
One of my mates – John Sinclair has a Dragon Project that is well advanced and progressing well. I think there may be others flying as well. Hopefully within a few years will have 2 in the area.
Australia built quite a number of DH84 Dragons during WW2 and they were used by the RAAF. Most of the restored examples here are English examples that had significient Australian civil aviation history.
regards
Ross
Fortunately we see some very nice formation flights at Watts Bridge. There is a group from Caboolture Airfield who have been practicing for a while and when the make their ‘Arrival’ at a fly-in it is normally in Formation, same for the guys from Caloundra Airfield.
Here is a photo of the Caboolture group.
The Queensland Vintage Aeroplane Group (QVAG) holds regular smaller fly-ins at Watts Bridge. This Chipmunk VH-RSP (was WG357) attended one of them in May 2006. There quite a number of DH Chipmunks in the area and it is not unusual to have 4-5 on the field. There is a formation team that practices at Caboolture airfield and it includes a number of Chipmunks.
In the second photo 5 Chipmunks are visible, I can’t remember the rego of the one in the front. Can anyone help me out?
The third photo is Chipmunk VH-BBK, Does anyone know its military history?
This Lockheed 12A belonges to a friend of mine, Ross Smith. Ross lives at Roleston in Central Queensland. He has rebuild several vintage aeroplanes including a Boeing Stearman, and a Tiger Moth. He also owns and flies a Cessna C185 – of which is very proud. The Lockheed is a more recent requisition and Ross has done a lot of work on it to get it up to his usual high standard.
This photo was taken at the QVAG Watts Bridge 2006 fly-in.