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  • in reply to: F-35 Debate thread (2) #2264365
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    Speaking of JSF operating cost vs legacy fighters. I found an old but very interesting Air Force Magazine article. Here´s an interesting quote:

    The Dart Throw

    “In 1994, they threw a dart in the wall and decided that there would be a [winner chosen] in April 2001. We will do it in October. Over a seven-year program, we’re five months off.”

    Hough said the JSF will in every way match or exceed the performance of the aircraft it is designed to replace. However, “cost of ownership is the legacy of this airplane. Not performance. Relative to cost of ownership, performance is easy.”

    He said when the services got serious about setting their true top priorities for the JSF, they found that they were willing to trade away some aspects of performance to get an aircraft that was cheap to own and operate.

    “It’s cost of ownership of legacy airplanes that’s … eating us alive,” Hough noted. He also said that when the contractors “saw we were serious” about an almost religious zeal for savings, they too sharpened their pencils and went to work, discarding long-standing traditional ideas about how fighter airplanes are made. For its part, the government did not specify what it wanted. It set the performance and cost requirements and let the contractors offer their own solutions, using their own techniques, technology, and business practices.

    Also, another interesting quote from the article:

    The JSF does not have supercruise ability, he pointed out, nor is it designed to be an air superiority airplane. “It’s a bomb truck … and a very efficient one,” Hough said.

    http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2001/July%202001/0701fighters.aspx

    in reply to: Future of Belgian Air Component #2259846
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    7 x A400M to replace 11 x C-130? That´s a pretty large transport fleet isn´t it? Considering Belgium´s small territory and the fact that Belgium doesn´t seem to engage that much in international operations, why do they need 11 C-130?

    in reply to: Netherlands – another chance for Gripen? #2290141
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    There are rumours about the number of Dutch F-35s being reduced to 42 aircraft. I believe this possiblity was discussed here on this forum some time ago?

    This article was published in May 2012:

    http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/?p=804

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    I thought this was supposed to be “professional” forum? First the nonsense in the Gripen for Switzerland thread and now this? I really feel this forum is going down hill! This thread should be closed! 😡

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2312259
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    I somehow find it strange that an Air Force that operates Gripen C/Ds will have so different a way of counting operating costs that leads to a more than two-fold increase in operating costs.

    I don´t! The more than double operating cost suggests to me that other cost are included. Are you implying SAAB are lying about the operating cost?

    The SAAF document also qoutes the operating cost of the BAE Hawk as $6000/h. That´s almost as much as the F-16 in the Jane´s diagram!

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2351742
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    Something like “we have no need for combat aircrafts”. Somme even say “… for armed forces”.

    I don’t know how numerous they are, though…

    True! The pacifist anti military movement is very strong in Switzerland. For instance, in 1992 The “Group for a Switzerland without an Army” collected 503,719 signatures against the purchase of the F-18 Hornet in 32 days! 😮

    About the current process:

    In 2008 the Swiss Federal Council announced its plans to purchase a new generation of fighter aircraft. Immediately after this, the GSoA started an initiative that proposes a 10-year-moratorium for aircraft procurements. The collection of signatures was completed in May 2009. The vote will be scheduled in 2010 or 2011.[4]

    To say that the majority of the voters are specifically anti Gripen is a lie. Many Swiss however seem to think there is no need for more fighters…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_for_a_Switzerland_Without_an_Army

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2314099
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    Great news! It was the only logical choice for Switzerland for many reasons IMHO…

    Also, very good for SAAB to have a launch customer for the Gripen NG. I believe this was one of the main arguments used against the Gripen in the Brazilan tender?

    in reply to: ROYAL Canadian Air Force #1052408
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    There are the royal air force, the royal navy and the army. How come the army is not “royal”?

    in reply to: Air Action Over Libya (Merged) #2363127
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    Political cost within the country rather than abroad would be the most appropriate explanation. Other than that, we have made available four important airbases and logistics support to many NATO allies.

    What political cost would that be? What are the arguments? Turning down Greek participation but at the same time making Greek airbases available for NATO doesn´t sound consistent to me.

    in reply to: Air Action Over Libya (Merged) #2363145
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    How come Greece isn´t taking part in the operation? Is it lack of money or political will?

    in reply to: Air Action Over Libya (Merged) #2366291
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    Slightly off topic but, former Brazilian president Lula De Silva has condemned the attack on Libya:

    http://www.vozpopular.com.ar/2011/03/22/lula-condemned-the-attacks-on-libya-and-the-un-called-for-a-dialogue-between-warring-parties/

    Maybe the operation in Libya will have implications on the FX-2? Perhaps the term ‘combat proven’ is not always a selling point after all? :rolleyes:

    in reply to: Libyan Air Force Mirage F.1's in Malta #2337519
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    Apparently Khadafi woke up one morning convinced that he absolutely needed to have SCALP cruise missiles, to which the French responded by giving him the finger (politely, I’m sure).

    You´re right. The French probably didn´t want to hand over a missile to Khadaffi that could reach the south of France.

    http://rafalenews.blogspot.com/2010/12/no-scalp-for-libya.html

    Probably the bigger issue is that Khadafi was bargaining for the Rafales like one might bargain for camels, and wasn’t willing to dip into his Swiss bank accounts and petro-dollars to pay for the jets.

    Well, he would most likely pay the double price today. Anyway, whether Khadaffi remains in power or becomes overthrown, the Rafale is history in Libya IMHO. With Mirage F1s already bombing the country, France wouldn´t have the nerve to sell Rafale to Khadaffi. Should Khaddafi be overthrown, the opposition would probably punish France for its friendship with Khadaffi.

    For some reason I can imagine a Chinise type entering Lybian service, maybe the FC-1…

    in reply to: Libyan Air Force Mirage F.1's in Malta #2338297
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    Speaking of Libya. What happened to the Libyan Rafale deal?

    http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3997328

    It seems the deal was almost done but nothing official so far. As the Dassault executive said, it´s always about politics…

    in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #4, Cachorro-quente! #2391952
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    Understand it now?

    Yes, I hope so. Thanks for the clarification Hammer! If I understand the situation correctly there seems to be a conflict of interest between Lula´s foreign policy and the majority of domestic interest groups? Maybe this opposition has turned out to be stronger than Lula had anticipated?

    It has been a long and tiresome selection process but, I get the impression that democray is doing well in Brazil?

    P.S.: What is the Norwegian typical drink

    I´m not sure but I guess a beer works fine? 😉

    in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #4, Cachorro-quente! #2393024
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    AFP is reporting that the selection of the FX-2 winner will be postponed until after the second round of the presidential election. Lula wants do discuss this with the next president, elected on the 31st of October, before announcing the winner.

    I don´t understand anything about this FX-2 selection process. :confused: The Rafale was selected in September 2009 but, somehow yet not? All information needed is available but still a year has passed without a contract being signed… What is Lula waiting for really? What information is missing? What terms and conditions available today could change in the future?

    Also, why is it Lula has decided to postpone the decision until after the election? This postponement implies to me that the decision would somehow have implications on the election….implications that Lula wants to avoid? Is the FX-2 bid a topic of debate in the currect election anyway?

    Maybe, a Brazilian member of the forum would like to explain, please?

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