Call me an old fella… I remember the good old days days when Swedes would only sell military planes to democratic, non-intervening nations such as Switzerland, Finland and Austria…
Funny how everybody seems to be experts on Swedish export laws? Sweden hasn´t changed the export laws, yet the Thailand deal is legal so what do you know? BTW, why does it bother you?
Now, Pakistan, Thailand, who might come next? Iran, Myanmar and China? LOL…
Yes it´s a moral disgrace isn´t it? Sweden behaving almost like the others in the business. Who might come next, maybe sh*t poor Brazil?
Must be desperation from both sides. Will the planes be payed for in frozen chicken meat as before?
The economic situation in Brazil is probably not much better. Brazil who almost can´t pay for 12 used Mirage 2000. What will Brazil offer in exchange for new fighters? Football players? 😮
Your comments are totally biased as always. Just check your previous postings. I´m convinced that they are meant to smear the SAAB campaign in Brazil. Maybe you´re Mr. Dassault´s man :rolleyes:
I read somewhere that the NORA will be fitted to the Gripen NG in 2009. Whether this is a protype or a fully developed version, I don´t know.
I think that the Cavalier tail looks really awful. Is it possible to convert it to a regular P-51 tail without a major rebuild?
Interesting news. What´s the serial number?
BTW, doesn´t the fin look too tall?
4-8 aircraft of any kind don´t make an air force, right?
If this information is true I guess that second hand F-16s will be chosen.
With the things one reads in the news about SA you would think they would have better uses for the money.
A valid question. However South Africa is a democracy nowadays and are free to do what they like with their money.
Is there any justification for them to have these aircraft, how are they maintaining them and why were the Swedes prepared to sell them in the first place?
I guess the Swedes could sell them to SA because it´s a democracy as simple as that. BTW, maybe you should ask yourself how your own country is willing to sell weapons to any non-democratic country as long as they are allies to the US? If you start doing some research on US weapons export it won´t take long before you´ll find some “controversial” deals.
I personally think they could have spent the money on a better cause.
Like the F-16 maybe?
Also, I really dont like the Iron Cross on an Austrian fighter.
Is it an Anschluss-jäger? :rolleyes:
What kind of aircraft is to exspect off the coast of Norway today?!
Does it matter? You still need to have the ability to do so. I don´t think that the Norwegian Air Force considers patrolling the borders of Norway as nonsense.
A small AF with small numbers is looking for the best asset available.
The question is, the best asset for whom? I don´t see how a geographically small NATO member like Denmark would share the same requirements as a geographically large NATO member like Norway?
Back to the Gripen. It never was a cheap-buy and tailored to Swedish needs.
You don´t seem to have realized that this NG version is a way to tailor the Gripen to the needs of some potential export customers? The JSF is definitely NOT tailored to Norwegian needs, but US needs. For instance LM is AFAIK not interested in integrating the Kongsvinger NSM missile with the JSF. Are you implying that the JSF was exclusively and only designed to suit the needs of the US, Denmark, the Netherlands, Turkey, Norway, Australia, UK and Canada? :rolleyes:
The main task of “air-policing” is done by P-3 Orions.
Orions are good for air survaillance, but for air policing you will probably need fast jets.
The Gripen does not offer more range or endurance compared to the F-16s.
Who has claimed that a country like Norway needs more range of endurance than the F16? Are you saying that the JSF offers more range or endurance?
The Russian naval assets carry “SAMs” and can pose a threat in conflict related to off-shore resources some day. So stealth technology is very usefull to counter that and the MiG-31BM and PAK-FA to come in the future.
I refer to your previous post:
When you claim a threat there, you have to name it. I can not see Russia to attack a NATO-member like Norway any more.
I think it´s pretty obvious that your part of the JSF lobby here on this forum and there´s nothing wrong with that. I do however think that your arguments are biased and don´t make much sense. 😉
When you claim a threat there, you have to name it. I can not see Russia to attack a NATO-member like Norway any more.
This thread is getting a little bit off topic, don´t you think? 😉 Anyway, the “threat” is of course Russia. Even though there is no risk of an Russian attack, there is still need for air policing.
BTW, following your train of thought I find it even harder to understand why countries like Norway would need a stealthy strike aircraft like the F-35?
It seems that things are moving fast at SAAB. The dedication is quite impressive if you ask me.
I wonder how the choice of the GE414 over the EJ200 will affect the sales prospects of the Gripen?
Does anyone have a clue how this new engine will increase the performance of the Gripen in terms of speed, climb and acceleration?
If range and payload are so important for Australia, why don´t they stick with the F-18F instead of the F-35? How does the F-35 compare to the F-18F in trems of range and payload? A very ignorant question i know! 😮
I don´t want to insult our Croatian friends but, from what I´ve heard corruption is very widespread in Croatia. With a deal of this size I´m afraid there will be another “Saudi deal”. The winner the F-16 😎
Happy to, it’s a cash cusion that was written into all contracts by the US to safe guard them incase anyone pulled out. If you pull out, others will have to pay more, therefore you should pay a penalty fee to ease this burden on the other partners. It also helps keep the project going while they look for another partner to step up to the plate so to speak.
I still don´t understand why those small JSF partners invest their taxpayers money into the partnership and get almost nothing in return in terms of reinvestment? As far as I know the money they have invested won´t give the partners any dicount if they decide to select the JSF? How the politicians can motivate this spending to the taxpayers is a mystery to me :confused:
If those small partners want to purchase the JSF, why just not stop wasting more money into the one way partnership and buy the JSF when it´s done?
Norway have to come up with an decision regarding the MOU within this month. If the goverment agrees, we’ll give another 100mill nok for the year 2007. If we decide to bail out, now would be the time, sense the new MOU says that if we decide to give up in 2008 or later we’ll have to pay an exit-ticket that costs us 5bill nok.
So, if Norway decide to invest more money into the project, they will face the risk of paying 5 billion NOK in case they wish to pull out of the JSF partnership? All this before they have decided to actually purchase the JSF? What kind of deal is that, I don´t get the logic! :rolleyes: Can anyone explain, please?
Another concern is the possible new JSF partners, sense it gives Norway an even lesser chance to get any workshare.
That doesn´t sound very optimistic does it? 😮