Anbody would think you have been talking to Carlo (I want the F22) Copp!:D Ja…

Looks like new JBD are the order of the day!

I spoke to him in person once at the Avalon 2007 do, this was when he was still trying to save the Pigs from the chop and still going on about how the RAAF should have bought the C747 rather than the C-17 due to commonality with Qantas. I tried to ask him about his Naval conclusions only to get told he had to take a call but it was nice chatting to me!

And for everyy link u post I can post
The oppisite. http://armoredd.com/blog/archives/3693
U still haven’t provej beyond doubt that F-35w burn
Decks. Remember 20klb cool down wash. (please excuse phone
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I’m not trying to prove or disprove anything- you asked for links and there they are. I’ll let you argue with the person about this issue. But as I said, I do remember this being an issue back in the initial stages and also with the Yak-144 Freestyle.

India has already decided to but the PAKFA/FGFA which is expected to cost just as much.
I never knew the prices came down with time, I thought it escalated over time and India ends up paying more than it originally bargained for. :rolleyes: perhaps you would provide an example or two to support this theory of yours ?

Sure- The Hawk Deal- took them 20 years to work on that deal- the cost of the Mk-60 version came down as the Mk-100 versions came into being. As a result the Indian Mk-132 (or 115Y) is a combination of the Mk-60 with a couple of added Mk-100 series additions produced on the Mk-120/LIFT frame. India wants the best but doesn’t want to pay the price and therefore has to make up the lost capabilities in house (which does seem to work sometimes).

Another example would clearly be seen with the LCA/Tejas aircraft- India wanted a good fighter that was cheap to build- they got it: 20 years later when prices of electronics and engines became a null matter to their respective companies as they had moved on to newer productions.

At this rate the Indians could buy a J-79 or an Atar 9K play with it to make them better and still only pay pittance for each engine!

lastly, except the gorshkov affair no other negotiation was held up purely on price matters.

Tegas, Hawk and to lesser extents, Hermes and some small arms contracts were

what does russian spies in US got to do with India ? :confused:
I haven’t heard of any concern from US sources about possible tech leak to russia from India (other than from you) , mind elaborating how you came to that conclusion ? the concern about tech transfer to India in US is more about Indians getting a look rather than russians getting a look, which is a different kettle of fish altogether.

The US is worried about Current political posturing in Russia- the gestures of re-instating long range bomber patrols and under ice Sub routes for Boomers. The US know that Russia has the capability and technology to produce counters to it’s fielded hardware where as Indian doesn’t (yet). The recent contract agreement between Russia and India to produce Transport aircraft has the US worried about their future logistics train (the C-130 can’t last forever). As for front line equipment- recent Red Flag excercises have shown that the Indian Su’s are actually superior to much of the current US equipment save the latest Raptors which are the only planes that gave them a run for their money- now with the F-35 having new equipment, India would happily aid their production partner (Russia) with a new products.

I won’t call the P-8 particularly low risk but you are right that congress might block the F-35. then again, there were reports that LM’s offer was okayed by the pentagon.

Since when does the Pentagon over rule the US Congress? It may have been oked by the PG, but Cong will look seriously at the deal. For now it seems to be going ahead, but only because of one stipulation- India supplies it’s own electronics!

at the end of the day it also depends on whether the navy wants the F-35 and I’m not sure they do. 😉

I agree- I don’t think the IN does want it- they are most happy with the current fleet they field, looking forward to the introduction of the Naval Tejas and though sad about the loss of the Harrier to their force- respect that every machine has it’s day. I heard an IN pilot say that the one thing they will miss with the SHar is the manouverability and versatility that it brought to the service- especially the Vertical launch and recovery.

Rather than blaming them for spending more (too much) money, you are now blaming them for spending less (not enough) money?

Not at all mate, I believe that all military training in every form should be handled by the military and not contracted out to corporate contractors who don’t really care about the country- just their profits.

Getting back to9 the L-29’s, it seems the US is running out of money in a fast way if they are having to contract private firms to fulfill military training requirements.

The two L-29’s

N179EP

N5959L

Are privately owned planes who rent out their services in a similar fashion to many other “Week End Warrior” companies over there in the US.

I know the USN are scratching around for $$$ but would this actually be an option that saves money? Most private ventures I know actually charge more. IMHO it would have been cheaper for the USN to use some of their T-45’s which better simulate the characteristics of modern day skimmer missiles, this evident by the RAAF using their Hawk Mk127’s in the same way during their regular excercises!

Yet another article that is very hard to understand due to the poor quallity of translation!

Guys, I have said before that you MUST be careful of these types of things, many are actually produced by some Chinese kid in the politbeuro who has a good laugh every time he posts a pic.

Do you honestly think that a copy of an Su-33 could have been made without anyone- let alone the Russians- knowing about it?

To me the pic shows a white painted J-11 that could just as easily be a standard J-11 posted to a PLAN aviation unit as their older planes are now due for retirement. The PLAN has made no secret of this transformation happening and this could easily be the first actual pic of a PLAN J-11!

As for China marketing their wares in other parts of the world- please have a clear look at where Chinese products are now in operation:- certain African nations (too poor to buy J-11’s) though they do come cheaper than their contemporaries, certain South American nations (Well I only know of two- Venezuela and Bolivia; FAV wouldn’t buy them as they have just bought front line aircraft from Russia Direct and the FAB are too poor to afford such planes in operation let alone actually buy them straight up). Brasil wouldn’t buy from China unless it was a huge benefit to them due to the global backlash that would follow if they made a deal like this.

Again the bottom line is that if there were a J-15 out there, we’d know before it actually flew (we knew about the J-10 before it hit the prototype stage).

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://wareye.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/chinaese-first-carrier-aircraft.jpg&imgrefurl=http://wareye.com/china-began-to-build-the-first-domestic-aircraft-carrier-the-navy-asked-the-project-to-accelerate&usg=__QCacO9tDs34yINoTMNTi2URs354=&h=281&w=500&sz=26&hl=en&start=63&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=fn5La09bnlLlHM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Daircraft%2Bcarrier%2Bconstruction%26start%3D60%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

Did anyone else notice the very poor English in this publication? I would say that this was a translated text version of something written in Chinese. But it does corroborate info that has been leaked out over the past five years or so and goes further to specify which dock will actually house the vessel/s in upon construction (Dock 3) and which factories are putting together the pieces- though I take that information with a grain of salt considering that China never really tells the whole truth when it comes to state matters!

Those of you (like me) watching via Google earth to see any developments in Dalian- look at the other ports as well.