Al

Here we go yet again. Moral equivalence! One outrage cancels out the other. How in the name of balance and commonsense you can equate the events of the Holocaust with those events you mention quite simply does defy belief.
No moral equivalence intended. Murder is murder, whether it’s one person or six million – it’s just a matter of scale.

What I do believe, is that this monstrous savagery perpetrated by a nation that was believed to stand at the center of European Christian civilized society could ever live down the shame and ignominy of this act of unparalled barbarity. Alongside Stalin’s gulags and famine induced massacres of the 1920s and 30s, the sheer immensity of the destruction of human life results in our dumb, shocked incomprehension. It is impossible to forget.
To me it’s entirely comprehensible. It’s simply human nature – if one of the world’s most civilised nations can produce the Nazis, it can happen to any nation. The dark side of mankind is always there, bubbling just under the surface, only in Nazi Germany those traits and behaviours were looked on with admiration, and given government backing and encouragement.

Do you seriously think that if this once great nation of England still exists in one thousand years from now, we will not still remember our war dead on Remembrance Sunday?

By England do you mean Britain? I’m sure war dead will always be remembered, but in a thousand years WW2 will have as much relevance as Agincourt, just another battle amongst hundreds in the 3013 archives…

Things like that do happen. Another forum member (StuartH) and I watched a Lossiemouth Jaguar climb to contrail height over Moray, Scotland, and with great airmanship the pilot drew a huge phallus in the sky – an unmissable outline of meat and two veg half the size of the county.
From memory the Jag was part of a mass fly-off for an AOC’s inspection, or similar, and there were repercussions…

New management? But still under corporate and collective responsibility. A long established concept in legal jurisprudence.

You have your opinion and I have mine. Let us see how – from those bothered to answer – many Forum members choose which argument.

How long does corporate and collective responsibility last? Should the Italians be held responsible for the atrocities and slavery the Romans perpetrated over the known world? The Danes, Swedes and Norwegians for the Viking’s excesses? The Brits for their part in the slavery trade?

In an another few hundred years time, history will look back on Nazi Germany in an entirely different fashion, just as the Romans and Vikings are grudgingly admired today. Don’t forget the Brits vilified and demonised the Spanish and French while the battles with them were still a living memory.

It was the Nazis who led (and funded!) German science and industry, so they did achieve it. Do you think science and industry would have made all those leaps by themselves?
You could also argue then that the US government under John Kennedy had nothing to do with sending a man to the moon.
Slavery and sweatshops are still alive and well, and it’s not so long ago the Brits were the best at it…

Edgar, I have nothing to apologise for – you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs. There was a huge rush by ALL the allies to secure the technological and medicinal advances made by the Reich. Modern aviation medicine still uses the data gleaned from those experiments, distasteful or not!
The way you go on you’d think homo sapiens was an endangered species, or that the Nazis were the only people who killed anyone…

….Don’t ever let anyone try and convince you that Nazism had any good points–it didn’t..!!

You mean apart from huge advances in medicine, rocketry, aerodynamics & jet propulsion, submarines, movie-making, welfare programmes, the Volkswagen Beetle, Law & Order, animal welfare, Hugo Boss uniforms, autobahns, and strong leadership?

Any brass monkeys?
The sharpness of the images is very noticeable – what camera and lens was used?

Me too, taking a photo of an old WW2 military Harley on display on my lunchbreak, when I heard the bang, and took a photo of the jets coming down, completely out of focus.
I remember it being really difficult to get back to ops on the other side of the airfield, and the young female forecaster bricking it because she’d taken the low cloud out of her area forecast and mass morning briefing…