I would have loved to have seen the Battle of Teutoburg Forest, in AD 9.
Three Roman legions (conservative estimate 25,000 men), and their auxiliaries, led by Publius Quinctilius Varus, were led into a funnel ambush near Bielefeld, Germany.
The local Germanic tribes descended on them and wiped out the lot, for very few casualties of their own.
The Romans never occupied the regons beyond the Rhine again, and it’s thought the battle was so pivotal that if the Germanic tribes hadn’t won, most Europeans (and therefore the Americans too) would be speaking Latin today…
I would have loved to have seen the Battle of Teutoburg Forest, in AD 9.
Three Roman legions (conservative estimate 25,000 men), and their auxiliaries, led by Publius Quinctilius Varus, were led into a funnel ambush near Bielefeld, Germany.
The local Germanic tribes descended on them and wiped out the lot, for very few casualties of their own.
The Romans never occupied the regons beyond the Rhine again, and it’s thought the battle was so pivotal that if the Germanic tribes hadn’t won, most Europeans (and therefore the Americans too) would be speaking Latin today…
Great to hear at least something is being done.
It’s probably been around 30 years since I was there last, and everything was mainly in good condition then.
Here’s a photo I took from the first floor of the control tower, and a wartime shot taken from the inaccessable floor above…

Do you know PKK or have you heard about them? Who are they for you? Some innocent villagers, peacefully living in N. Iraq soils? FYI, PKK is recognized as a “terrorist” organization by the USA and EU. You need to read and learn before posting Turks are kiling Kurds nonsense.
The PKK were a real threat around Incirlik during my time there, and I was fully briefed on them by our intelligence officers.
My knowledge on the subject wasn’t gleaned from reading books or sitting in front of a TV – I was there, on the ground, as was HaveQuick2. It’s called first-hand experience…
Funny how two other people on here have talked about Turks bombing the Kurds during the no fly zone…. (and fighting each other for how many years before that?)
Of course it prompts another question – why would the Turks declare a ‘Turkish Special Mission Day’, and ground all the coalition aircraft at Incirlik, except to enter the no-fly zone with impunity?
Our understanding at the time was that the Turks had Saddam’s blessing to enter northern Iraq, and kill as many Kurds as possible, as they were a common problem to both nations.
Is the nose section away being treated?
Some good photos of her here… http://www.rommelinlibya.com/ladybegood/lbgphotos.html
Exactly, HaveQuick2, and many thanks for corroborating that. It was almost like in Catch-22, when a deal was struck with the Luftwaffe for the USAAF to bomb their own base, in return for something else!
While I was at Incirlik, corruption was endemic from the local General down to the boot cleaners, and to illustrate what I mean, here’s a few stories.
During my detachment, the French pulled out, and left a locked compound full of military equipment, computers and vehicles. This was broken into and emptied by the Turks, and when the USAF 2-star asked the Turkish general to look into it, he produced a forged paper declaring the French had given them permission to take anything they wanted.
When the 2-star told him it was a forgery, the Turkish general asked “Are you calling me a liar, Sir?”, to which the USAF general replied, “Sure looks like that, doesn’t it general?”. I thought I was witnessing an international incident when the Turkish general and his entourage stormed out of his own briefing room!
All the spares brought into Incirlik for the coalition aircraft were duty-free under an official agreement, but that didn’t stop the Turkish authorities impounding them, especially if they were much-needed and essential. The USAF general would then complain to the Turkish general, who would go through the motions of looking into it. A couple of weeks later the spares would be released, and it was done purely to **** us up, and slow things as much as possible, showing us they were in charge.
Doing the same job every day, flying back and forth to Northern Iraq, it was thought the F-16s and Tornado crews weren’t getting their proper amount of training, so a training day was allocated a few weeks in advance, using the Konya bombing range.
Everyone was looking forward to the day, especially the crews, and much was said about it at the morning briefings, with the Turkish general in attendance. A lot of paperwork and man-hours were spent in preparation for the training day, and there was quite a buzz around the place.
When the glorious day arrived, the USAF general told the Turkish general how excited everyone was at the prospect of using Konya Range, and how everything was looking good for the day.
Turkish general – “Have you asked the Konya Range controller’s permission?”
USAF general – “I thought you would have taken care of that?”
Turkish general – “No, you have to ask his permission first – it’s his range, after all!”
USAF general – “Err, OK, Sir…. how can I contact him?”
Turkish general – “You can’t – he’s on holiday…”
And that was that…
Found this information on the net, from ‘Wings of Fame’ #20…
“The Day Fighter leader’s School (DFLS) received Hunters in 1955. “A”
Flight painted the spines of its Hunters red, with matching chord-wise bands
across the wings and tailplanes. “B” Flight used yellow. By the end of
1956, the coloured flight markings had spread to cover the entire fin and
tailplanes (but not usually the rudder or elevators)… “
It was only relatively recently, with the Firearms Act of 1920, that UK citizens had to apply for a licence to own a firearm.
So many rifles and pistols were around after WW1 that the toffs feared a Russian-style revolution might be triggered…
It was only relatively recently, with the Firearms Act of 1920, that UK citizens had to apply for a licence to own a firearm.
So many rifles and pistols were around after WW1 that the toffs feared a Russian-style revolution might be triggered…
Very well done…
You’re right – it didn’t happen…
Well, I’ll tell you what the Turks were doing in northern Iraq, first hand, and it never made the world news.
In the mid 1990s I was an officer with the RAF, detached to Incirlik Air Force Base, Turkey, supposedly there to help safeguard the Kurds through maintaining the northern no-fly zone.
Every day at 0900 there would be a mass brief attended by a USAF 2-star, a local Turkish general, and the RAF and FAF Group Captains, clearing around 65 RAF, USAF, and French Air Force aircraft to head out over Northern Iraq to patrol the zone, to make sure Iraqi aircraft weren’t operating against the Kurds.
But every couple of weeks, mainly on good-weather days over the route and no-fly zone, the Turkish general would announce “Today is a Turkish Special Mission day!”. All coalition aircraft were grounded, and we’d watch the Turkish F4s and F5s being bombed up – it was very rare to see them fly at all!
On one particular Christmas day the Turks took off heading east, and later we heard on the news that around 168 Kurds in Northern Iraq had died during a bombing raid.
The coalition top brass at Incirlik certainly knew what was going on, and hence their respective governments must have been told, but keeping Incirlik open to the coalition, and keeping the Turks ‘friendly’ to us, was obviously much more important than saving Kurdish lives, which was why we were supposed to be there…
The modern stuff would be interesting, but I’ll bet it was spectacular in the 1950s and 1960s…