Given the variety of types, it will number well into the hundreds, if not thousands.

Not just low, but shooting, and probably being shot at !!

In this (the last) picture, is that a bomb exploding underwater?

We should stay in it, because you apparently know better?

That’s not how Democracy works I’m afraid, and though people’s reasons and motivations may be different than yours, it doesn’t make them any less valid.

All of the Polls show a decisive majority in favour of leaving, and I for one am with them.

Ah, no, I would disagree with that. Brown (with Ed Balls closely advising) was the economic and fiscal driver for the entire Blair prime ministership. Perhaps he had more real power as Chancellor than any of his predecessors. His one saving grace was that but for him Blair would have taken us into the Euro. For that we should thank Brown, but for little else.

I’m not trying to absolve him of responsibility, I just think he’s taken a lot of the flak for Mr Blair too.

Ed Balls is a nasty piece of work, and he seems oblivious to the damage he’s done.

Up u until the end of Blair’s second term, I had been a die hard Labour supporter for some 35 yrs. Following that, I voted Lib Dem for a while, but stopped doing so, when they went into coalitiion with fhe Tories. Feeling totally disillusioned with all of them, I no longer vote. I have never voted Tory, and I never will, but I feel that Labour has no room to talk, when they start berating the Tories, ref the economy. It’s thanks in part to Labour, and what I percieve as their flawed economic policies, that we are in this mess today. Sadly, I think our present rulers, are merely the best of a bad bunch.

IMO, neither of the two mainstream parties, can escape responsibity for what’s happened. Under the ‘stewardship’ of the Tories, throughout the 80s, and part of the 90s, credit of all kinds became very easy to get. Banks could not throw money at industry and the public fast enough. IMO, this cannot be blamed purely on ‘the Thatcher miracle’ however I think that her deregulation of the banking sector, has to be part of what we are experiencing today. I guess that as consumers, we must shoulder some blame also. However, as we are still seeing today, bad lending policies by those controlling the banking system, ensured that it would be ‘Joe Public’ and small businesses, that would be picking up a very big part of the tab. Labour, under the ‘leadership’ of Blair, just carried on , by and large, with the economic policies of the previous Tory government, The outcome of adopting those policies, is all too evident today.

To be fair, external pressures by the failure of certain foreign banks, and other financial institutions, and those who run them, must take their share of the blame, as well as their ill deserved, and bloated bonuses.

Where do we go from here? Goodness only knows. As far as I can see, neither Capitalism, or the Socialist Command Economy work. Does the answer lay perhaps, in an ‘economically engineered’ amalgamation of both

I have have no real knowledge of economics, this is just my take on the subject of the thread. So are the Tories telling lies? Possibly, but aren’t they all?

Excellent post! Though my political allegiance is slightly right of the centre, I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said. Although Labour do deserve a share of the blame for our woes, I believe it’s the greater population, with our borrowing obsession, that’s largely responsible. Hopefully people will start to see the wisdom of saving!

The only addition I will make is that I actually feel sorry for Gordon Brown, he seemed to shoulder the blame for many of bLiars poor policies and the general economic mess.

The Duxford Beaufighter would be nice 🙂

All Politicians are the same. Just as the wealthy pull the strings of the Tories, the Unions and Leftist elite pull the strings of the Labour party.

Until we get rid of career politicians, this will always be so.

Israel can, and should be, the bigger man in this. They have Iron Dome which is proving reasonably effective.

The bigger man? Such sentiments are easy when you haven’t got rockets landing indiscriminately around you! At least the Israelis are trying to target Hamas. Unfortunately Hamas are using human shields – this is not Israels fault. There also appears to be huge support for Hamas, so to an extent the population of Gaza are responsible.

The situation is unworkable, until Hamas goes there can’t be any peace, and Hamas will always have a place while there is a large resentment of Israel.