I do like politicians who demonstrate great moral courage. Nigel Farage, whatever his shortcomings and I’m reasonably certain that he has one or two, has that courage by the bucket load. You might recall the video pictures of the impressive Nigel, standing as a solitary figure before the EU Parliament full of the assembled ranks of the sneering EU elites giving them full broadsides of ridicule.

Farage has the courage of his convictions. He has serious shortcomings, there can be no denying that he is a xenophobe (that migrant poster rolled out during the referendum was truly awful), and he regularly goes too far. But in the modern context, he is a peerless protest politician, far more effective than the likes of Corbyn, or anything regurgitated by the Greens (you could argue Salmond is about par I suppose). He has consistently been proven correct when it comes to the weakness of European borders, and the tragic consequences, the rise of European populism, and has a better understanding of the workings of the EU than most.

He’s not PM, or diplomat material though, way too confrontational and divisive.

Beermat,

More accurately, the elite, entitled, metropolitan, liberal left extremists – I think I’ve covered everything – who sought to impose their view of world order by exerting some spurious moral authority, that condemned those who did not subscribe to their philosophy of unlimited immigration, political and economic control by an unelected EU elite, answerable to no one and nothing, as nothing else but bigots; racists; xenophobes and moral degenerates.

Those people aren’t “leftists”, they’re ultra liberals. Left wingers don’t support the EU, because of its legislation and restrictions on state ownership, and its corporate influence. Liberals support the EU, out of a sense of entitlement to travel wherever they want, live wherever they want, while making token statements about the rich not paying their fair share, while they are hoarding as much wealth for themselves as possible. The environment be damned. Ironically, the one thing these regressive liberals aren’t liberal about is freedom of speech, having ushered in an era of ultra political correctness, and attempting to destroy any debate with shouts of “racist”.

Remaining in Europe is not a ‘left wing’ policy, and never was. Immigration is not a ‘leftist’ thing any more than it’s a ‘rightist’ thing. Racism is not an invention of the political right, and neither is isolationism.

This.

I’m bewildered by the number of people who are self confessed Corbynites, who are furious that he didn’t wholeheartedly support the remain campaign. They must be oblivious to the small fact that he has been protesting against the EU for literally decades, as did his mentor, the late Tony Benn. This was the traditional Labour position.

Equally, people say that we’re were experiencing a ‘tory brexit’. What short memories they must have. The leader of the Tories (and the country ) was the most prominent remainer, as were many of his front bench. Even a decent percentage of SNP voters voted leave, funny how that’s never mentioned 🙂

This subject crosses all party divides and the entire political sphere. And there wasn’t simply a 52% and a 48%. There were many reluctant remain voters, and many reluctant leave voters (myself included to an extent). It is also important to remember that 1/3 of voters, predominantly young, couldn’t be bothered to vote at all, on such an important matter. Hardly a singing endorsement of our politics or the popularity of the European Union.

I haven’t mentioned school or hospital places etc 🙂 But again, that isn’t the fault of migrants, but of EU / government policy. There should be an EU wide fund that provides money to cover the impact on infrastructure that migrants make to their new host countries.

I only mentioned the devastating effects that overpopulation through mass immigration is having on our environment.

“A federally-imposed minimum wage would be a massive imposition on democratically-elected governments and their populi.”

And freedom of movement, resulting in massive population growth isn’t?

The EU’s main problem is that it has been rushed together in a poor order. THings like wage equality should have been introduced at the same time as the single currency, which should have been at the same time as federalism. You could argue that it was just poorly thought out, but I suspect the intent was to get the countries to integrate as far as possible before having to approve ceding further powers to Brussels in national votes.

There is no “greater good” than protecting the environment. Everything depends on it, and as such, this wilful overpopulation must end.

But for less than we would accept being paid here, which is exploitation. Why should they be paid less than what an English person should/could be paid?

As I said before, until a common minimum wage is rolled out across the EU, the system will remain terribly broken.

I’m not going to reply to all that, because I’ll get in trouble for abusing the quotation boxes (the mods don’t like it) 🙂

Do you know any farmers? I’ve dealt with them much of my career. They always moan about their finances, while they drive Range Rovers, their wives Range Rover Sports, have several foreign holidays a year, and live in huge houses. I have never met a poor one, and you will find few people who have met as many as me. You are also justifying exploiting foreign workers. Why should foreign workers be paid less for a job in England than an English person would be willing to do it for? Seems somewhat bigoted.

Our economy would only have to be *relatively* attractive. Don’t forget, there are other pull factors, such as healthcare, language etc. Many eastern Europeans will learn English at school, not so much German, French etc, plus they will be somewhat deterred from many countries owing to the enormous levels of youth unemployment in other western EU countries. I’m in no way suggesting that British people are the best to do every job here, but we should make the most of who we have, and invest in training here, before becoming dependent on migrants, contributing to mass overpopulation.

We cannot be responsible for the well being and prosperity of everyone. There are literally billions of people around the world who would love to live in our relatively wealthy countries, but supporting them is impossible. Better we have free trade agreements with their countries, and improve their chances that way.

I wouldn’t call myself a socialist, but a centre ground ‘responsible’ capitalist. I welcome immigration, just not at anything like the levels we’ve been experiencing. We could still have 200,000 people move here every year, and decrease the population considerably at the same time: win-win.

The environment absolutely will stop the population from growing if we don’t, it always has, and always will, with every species on this planet. Before long we will have destroyed most of the grasslands that our pollinators so desperately need. I take it you’re aware of the consequences. Our bee population is already struggling, and we are about to decimate much more of their natural habitat by the building of these 70 garden villages.