F-86 is looking good
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your handy work I believe Misha…. The next job after I have applied the ‘Mystere IV A’ to the mystere, painted the Danish Hunter’s badge, polished the T33, stuck a broom where the sun don’t shine and swept the hangar floor, is to finally apply the Sabre Knights logo to the front of the F86D… She is a credit to the museum!
Not throwing any insults at them, but what’s the rationale? Surely any restoration would increase the value of their property?
As I understand it:
The owner of Unimetals was a bit of an enthusiast at heart, and saved several very rare and significant airframes. Sadly, this gentleman passed away some years ago. His widow is now the owner of the airframes and the Unimetals name. She sees the aircraft as her late husbands assets, and refuses point blank to have them interferred with.
Sentimentallity or not, these airframes are not being restored dispite their rarety (the Swift should be in the RAF Museum along with the Brigand). I hope the guys at Kemble have more luck when dealing with this lady than NEAM have had over the years….
Back in 2005 we hired a whole army of them, tanks and an airforce which pulled in around 10,000 visitors over that weekend and a number of following ones.
http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=270572&imageindex=0
http://www.whitehaven-news.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=271323&imageindex=0
http://freespace.virgin.net/martin.russell/millom05.htm
WOW! That looks brilliant! 😀
Went to the Bristol Collection at Kemble IIRC
It did. The Unimetals problem exists with the Balliol wreck and the swift also. The owner will not allow any restoration work or preservation work of any kind on the airframes. The swift is in primer, and although indoors, not in good health, and certainly not a good representation of such a historic airframe. For those that don’t know, WK198 was the world Airspeed record holder for a while. Perhaps a new home could be in order… (my opinion)
I’ll let Chris and Steve know. Thanks for the offer! I was debating whether to come dressed as an SS officer…. wonder if I’ll get the sherbert kicked out of me….
You would have more luck with this thread if it was posted on the Historic Forum. I don’t have the dimensions of the bomb bay to hand, but I have the leading particulars AP in a box somewhere…….
Your best bet is to visit one of the 3 accessible Victors as listed by Bex.
As a rough guesstimate, based on the amount of time I have spent crawling over the fuel tanks in Lusty Lindy (XL231) in the past I would say roughly:
Internal height – 10ft
Width – 10ft
Length – 35 ft…
Like I said, they are guesses, but as I find out, I’ll post them.
I recall a conversation I had with some of Lindy’s helpers about modern capabilities if the fatigue life had not been exceeded… Based on the FI scale of 1-100 (1 being a new airframe and 100 being life expired) Lindy was on 140….
It was estimated that 3 or 4 rotary launchers could be easily accomodated in the bomb bay. Single missiles could be hung off the hard points on the outboard wing sections, and a multiple launcher (3 rail?) could probably be fitted where the external wing tanks are (just outboard of the transport joint).
If it had been possible to develop the Victor, and NOT the other V-bombers, then this could have happened. As it turns out, when the Victors’ fatigue life began to get higher, they were converted into tankers due to their stability and huge capacity – a task which they performed beyond the call of duty…
Low level, – they were just not designed for it. Only the Vulcan with its unorthodox design could withstand the transition from high to low level. (Incidentally, the only time it dropped bombs in anger was at medium level….)
The bomb bay on the Victor tankers is massive – Lindy has two fuel tanks in her belly, approximately 10 ft long, 8 ft high and wide, then a gap of three or four feet, followed by the HDU (If Ollie and Mr. T have fitted one yet). After that, there was another useful space up to the pressure bulkhead….(If memory serves – its been 5 years since I last saw Lindy..)
Hope some of this mass speculation helps
try http://www.gava.org.uk they should be able to put you in touch with Mr. Young himself.
hopefully the electrical appliance spotters will pay to get into duxford to visit the ‘ideas centre’.
I would like a plasma TV, a DVD player, an X-box and a B52 please….:D
She is able to be moved with reletive ease (everything is reletive). When she was towed from the airfield in 1984, the nose leg drag brace was cracked, but should not prove to be a problem. The tyres need inflating (they are inflated every year so we know they hold pressure for a good length of time). Structurally, she is sound, and as has been said, the priority is skinning and paint. The main problem is getting the hardstanding laid, and the funding for it. We can’t get the funds unless we get more visitors in, but we can’t get more visitors in unless we tart up the site (or get tarts on the site 😉 ) Most of the site is grass, the only exception being the area where the Vulcan is now – and that is a former tennis court AND too far away from the main hangar to be of any use as a display area. Its also too exposed to vandals. The site is located next to football fields, and the local kids seem to think it’s great fun to smash golf balls into the Vulcan, and take shots at it with airguns. yes we have cameras up all over the place, and no the police won’t do a damn thing as per usual.
Can you tell I’m a bit frustrated?…. I’ve finished ranting for now….;)
There is only so much 10 people can do….
just figured that out… the phone rang off. damn:rolleyes:
Your enthusiasm cannot be faulted. You’re right, she is worth saving and I, for one, hope everything comes to fruition. Can any of 603’s panels or things like undercarrige bay doors etc be used in her restoration? :confused:
I’m just about to phone avro heritage on the number given on the 603 thread (by yourself if memory serves…) to see if the can and will help. I know her cockpit might be saved, but ANYTHING rear of there would help – even if it’s just used for patterns… Access panels, lights… ANYTHING!!!
LL Isn’t that taking a risk with the Vulcan’s future? How confident are you you will be able to raise the sustantial funds to provide a building to put her in and how long might it take? If you delay repainting until she is inside the other corrosion – instead of, perhaps, arresting now/next year could get a whole lot worse.
Roger Smith.
We are doing what we can. The undercarriage bays have been cleaned of birds nests and are about to be thoroughly cleaned and waxoyled. The main doors will then be closed and mesh fitted across the leg openings. The spar corrossion treatment is under way, but we have been hampered by the weather so it is taking time…. I’m going to start on the leaky cockpit this week. For now, the flying controls will just have to take their chances, but the fin and spine will be re-skinned before it goes under cover. A local EASA pt. 147 training acdemy may assist us in the skinning work (we are in talks…).
The main structure of the aircraft is in surprisingly good condition, its just the extremities which are dissolving. She is savable, and is worth saving.
Hopefully a hardstanding can be paid for and laid this year, and with any luck, a roof can be build over the winter. We are in the rather unfortunate position where we need more visitors (and money) coming in, but really have nothing to show them yet. In the words of the chairman ‘the site is a mess’. We have a core of less than ten volunteers, and the jobs are endless. We are also having discussions about the future of the site as a whole…. but, as always – we need help (and lots of it…).
The whole website is useless. A new one is in the making (as far as I am aware). I’ll take some pics of the vulcan tomorrow, but for now, here’s some from last week…
just as an aside, what are the differences between the Heinkel and the CASA? I know engines and thus engine systems are diferent, but is there anything else?
umm….. its not a Derwent, nene, sapphire, tyne, dart or avon…. must be a pretty early axial flow due to the promenant burner cans….