There is a little bit here about RAF navigation and the Aperiodic Compass.
Most recent update from Lincs Aviation Heritage Centre on 3 Lancasters 02 09 14 event.
After assessing the situation, and with consideration to safety and time constraints due to their many commitments during the tour, the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum have decided to proceed with replacing the #4 engine on Vera. Work will begin in the morning at Durham Tees Valley Airport. Their intention is to meet their obligations for the event with the 3 Lancasters at East Kirkby on Tuesday.
The Lincs Aviation Heritage Centre has offered CWH a zero timed engine from their stores and manpower from their engineering team. RAF BBMF have also offered a Merlin 500 engine from their stock.
The Lincs Aviation Heritage Centre are progressing with preparations for the events as normal with every expectation that the 3 Lancaster event will go ahead.
“Mein Gott!” Closely followed by “Heilige Scheisse!” I would think. :angel:
A bit of history on Rose Brothers (Gainsborough) Ltd.
http://www.bphs.net/GroupFacilities/R/RoseBrothersGainsborough/index.htm#9
While latest update from BBMF only goes to Thursday, someone at work just gave me the link below which currently gives display times out to 31st August – so assuming these can be relied on I can answer my own question – 2pm for Clacton on Friday
http://www.lancasterbomberale.co.uk/tour-dates/
Martyn
Correct. I hope your friend and his Heathrow pick up make it in time.
Making the most of the break in the weather I got the SV out and blatted down to Clacton. 100 mile round trip but bagged me a programme and a few flies on my visor. Traffic on the way in even today was busy but the “Park & Ride” is well sign posted on the outskirts if needed on the day.
I won’t list all the scheduled flights but if anyone has an interest in any other specific aircraft other than the obvious then feel free to PM me with your request.
Thursday
Vulcan XH558 Just before 15:00 in a slot running from 14.10 to 15:00 containing 4 other aircraft
Lancasters 15:00
No Red Arrows
Friday
Lancasters 14:00
Red Arrows 15:00
No Vulcan
All subject to the usual disclaimers regards technical/weather etc.
Thanks for that Snoopy7422 that confirms what I put in Post 13 paragraph c). It’s good to have someone backing that up.
That’s strange then that no mention is made of extra Nav/Radar operators. That’s going to make it hard to find if and when the change over to a dedicated H2S operator was made at any particular time. I wouldn’t think they were trying to keep it a secret as all the ORBs for my father’s tour of duty with 101 show his 8 man crew so you would think they would show the same when a H2S operator was with a squadron’s aircraft.
I know the ‘Fishpond’ indicator that detected enemy fighters attacking from below and behind was fitted in the Radio Operators position and that interfaced with the H2S system. Also the later gyro-controlled H2S was linked to the bombsight computer giving the capability of blind bombing with some accuracy. My father had Gee and H2S at his Nav position but I can only see mention of Gee, DR Comp, API, Camera heater and IFF in his Nav logs and nothing about H2S.
These are excerpts from his logs of a raid on Berlin on 2 Dec 1943 in DV302 H-Harry, one of the “Ton-Up” Lancs.
Aircraft Up @ 16:57 Aircraft Down @ 00:27
Bomb load :- 1 x 4,000lb.HC. 1200 x 4lb (90x) IB. 48 x 30lb. IB.
Bombs dropped on ETA at 21:22 hours from 20,000ft, heading 276M at IAS 160. One cone and scattered S/L in target area.
“We were twenty miles south of track when the route markers went down near Hanover and we had to go through the Hanover Flak and searchlights. We lost time there, with weaving and with navigational problems, and reached the Berlin area thirty minutes after the end of the proper time. We saw a few lights and activity on the ground but not enough to identify it as the target. We flew on and I took two astro shots; these showed us to be well beyond Berlin. We came back and eventually bombed the activity we had seen earlier, but more than an hour late. The navigation officer later back-plotted my results and said that we had bombed at Cottbus, fifty miles south-east of Berlin.
We came back by guess and by God and came out over Antwerp, a hundred miles south of the proper route. We landed at Bradwell Bay. We had plenty of fuel left and could have got home, but we had a few Flak holes and we were tired.”
Diary entry :-
“Briefing. Finished flight plan. All ok. Met W/V U/S!! Didn’t get to the Big City. NO speed & petrol going like water. Landed at 00:30 am at Bradwell Bay. Supper egg & spam, tea. Bed with sheets about 3 am. Up again at 09:15 crew bus to Mess!!! Went out to kite. Brought a lot of incendiaries back also flak holes, one in fin & rudder & one through both outer spinners. Soup, chips & fish; pear & semolina; cup of milk. Reading in Mess. Went out & put all nav. kit together.”
Many aircraft were late on target & the winds that night had caused many to end up well to the south. A “few” Flak holes actually turned out to be 23 and the unreleased incendiaries were hung up in the bomb bay. After repairs Lancaster DV 302 “H” went on to do 121 operational sorties and was scrapped in January 1947.
Hi Greg
I’m sorry but I am more clued up on ABC as this was fitted to my father’s aircraft albeit he was a Nav not a Special WOP so worked mainly with Oboe and Gee. H2S started being used in early 1943 and was first fitted to Halifax and Stirling bombers but soon spread throughout Bomber Command. The Pathfinder squadrons were especially reliant on it’s services and had the extra operator to optimise it’s use which left to Nav free to do his work. The Americans also used a version as they needed the means to Bomb Through Overcast (BTO) on their daylight raids. This shows how limited they were in their Ops until it was installed.
All I read is “· 1340h – The Lancasters will take off one after the other followed by the Vulcan. The aircraft will then immediately leave the visual circuit as they transit to their next destination.”
Now, I’ve read this over and over and unless I’ve missed it somehow, this does not state that they will fly in formation.
Bit pedantic of you but presumably it is within the bounds of reason that at some point they will be in some sort of formation for their onward flight. Albeit they may be out of the visual circuit I am sure someone will see them in “formation” at some point. You did not state categorically at what point they might be in formation one would have to assume you meant immediately after take off however you neglected to mention that part. Perhaps being more precise in your request for information would make answering less of a minefield.
hampden98 you are right a Lancaster crew was usually 7 consisting of Pilot, a Flying Engineer, a Bomb aimer, a Navigator, a Wireless operator, and two Air Gunners however some crews were increased to 8 for one of the following reasons:-
a) The crew was attached to the Pathfinder’s and had an extra Navigator/Radar Operator on board, who operated the H2S blind bombing radar.
b) The crew was attached to a Radio Counter Measure (RCM) Squadron and/or was operating an aircraft equipped with Airborne Cigar (ABC). In the middle of 1943 the aircraft in 101 Squadron were fitted with ABC consisting of three large aerials, two sticking out of the top of the fuselage and one under the bomb aimer’s position. To operate this as well as the ordinary Wireless Operator (WOP) these aircraft carried a German-speaking Special Wireless Operator on board and they were used to scan for German night-fighter radio frequencies. Once located he would prevent information being transmitted by German ground controllers to the night-fighters by activating one of several jamming transmitters. 101 suffered high losses as they were called on to send aircraft on every major raid and they had to circle the target area after their bombing run until the raid was over then head home.
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c) All new pilots were required to fly one or two flights with an experienced pilot and crew in order to familiarise them with what to expect on operations over enemy territory. They would sit in the F/Engineer’s flip down chair. When the F/Engineer needed his chair back the second pilot would stand behind the pilot or sit on the main spar. Sometimes the Station Commander, who would be a trained pilot, would tag along for the ride.
Other possible extra personnel could be War Correspondents, observers and additional camera operators.
Where does it say that?
The doubling up of jobs was common in most aircraft in wartime and not limited to just having a spare bod to take over as pilot but was throughout the crew. Although my father was a navigator in Lancasters he also turned his hand to being pilot and rear gunner in both Lancasters and Wellingtons. This was with 30 O.T.U. after his first tour of duty with 101 Squadron where he had a go in the rear turret.
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As 101 Squadron was heavily involved with Radio Counter Measures (R.C.M.) it followed on that he received further training on Radar at Topcliffe with 1659 H.C.U. prior to his second tour as a navigator with 199 Squadron flying a Halifax out of North Creake on R.C.M. operations right up to V.E. day 8th May 1945.
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Thank you.
Can we keep it that way please? I am sure there is a T-shirt manufacturers’ forum somewhere on which the rights and wrongs on profiting without contributing can be discussed. Failing that, PMs are the way to go.
Moggy
Moderator
Well said that man. Is there an echo in the forum? I did suggest this at the outset to avoid just such a thing happening. I did try. :apologetic:
And Cafe Press support for CWHM is???
The same as the ice cream sellers and hot dog vans at the free air shows.
Edited – Mod
Why would you buy something from Cafe Press from someone looking to jump on the bandwagon, cash in on the tour and make a fast buck?
Surely you’d be better off buying from CWHM, knowing that the proceeds are helping towards the cost of the tour and maintaining the aeroplane?
They have a massive 40′ trailer full of goodies that will be attending events (they were stocking it up at Coningsby yesterday) and I think they will have a tent at events not having the trailer. Some items are also available online direct from the CWHM http://www.warplane.com/gift-shop/Lancaster-UK-Tour/Lancaster-UK-Tour-Page1.aspx and I’m sure more will be added in due course.
I hope the mods are ok with this little bit of advertising for CWHM, I’m not entirely comfortable with Cafe Press knock-offs being promoted here though.
You need to take a chill pill and get off your high and mighty horse.
It’s called “Freedom”. Something my father got the DFC for.
I don’t want to detract from this thread by responding any further to this attack on my integrity but will PM you with my full response.