Martin Mars and other water bombers
James,
Here at long last are some of the photos I promised of the Mars at Lake Elsinore last weekend, and a link to a web page with the Mars and many other fixed and rotary wing water bombers:
Martin Mars from last weekend:

These folks were as happy to see it as I was:

More photos and descriptions on the fire-fighting aircraft page:
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Misc/FireFighters/index.html
Richard.
Neither the Mars nor the jet airliners were designed for firebombing, but the Mars is more suitable because of the load factors, piston advantage and Dan Ivor’s original brilliant idea. Adopting an aircraft optimised for high-level cruise and maximum loads for the (engineering) stressful job of firebombing looks good superficially, but I remain unconvinced.
Of course a Mars isn’t going to look manoeuvrable next to a C-415, but it’s not going to whizz by unable to get into the landscape wrinkles that a jet airline type has to.
Just thinking about it.
Richard, I’d love to see those photos!
Cheers,
I admit that I was thinking of the absolute maneuverability of the Mars, not compared to the DC-10 or 747.
I agree, putting a big jet down low sounds very hairy.
I’m putting a page of fire-fighting aircraft together for my website, I’ll post a link when it’s done. I’ll have 4 shots of the Mars on it.
Richard.
Yes, Badger, they were designed for the job. I’m no expert, but I remain unconvinced by 747 and DC-10 tankers being that effective – they can’t get close (the water or foam needs to be put as low and close as possible, while in the video you can see how good the CL415s are. The Mars puts a big load, low and on target, and the Mars are (relatively) slow and manoeuvrable too. But then I’m a Mars ‘fan’. 😉
I’m also no expert, but I spent last weekend photographing the Mars and it didn’t seem maneuverable from where I was.
Great aircraft, it just didn’t seem maneuverable.
Richard.
Now I ask: does the V-22 excel in any parameter except speed?
My understanding is that the V-22 flies twice as far, twice as fast with twice the payload of the existing helicopters. When I’ve heard them flying the Osprey has also been much quieter.
I’m not denying that the V-22 has issues, but these four parameters all sound like very important improvements for this type of aircraft.
Richard.
Very good work, Paul, I especially like the Tora, Tora, Tora shot!
Did you go independently or with one of the UK aviation travel tours?
Richard.
I’ve lived in the States for 10 years, often travelling domestically and internationally. I’ve never had any issue at all taking my 100-400mm and other gear as cabin baggage (had that lens the last 5 years, had an even bigger 150-500mm manual focus lens before that).
Richard.
Kbely is definitely worthwhile, here are some other highlights of the region, most of which are not aviation related:
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/CzechRepublic/Highlights/index.html
Richard.
Yes, excellent stuff – thanks for sharing them with us!
Richard.
Fab shots there, What speed does the Thunderbolt II go? SO the F-22 project is going ahead thought it was being cancelled.
James
James,
Glad you enjoyed the photos. The A-10 flies slowly, it’s said to be the only military jet which is at risk of birdstrikes from behind.
The F-22 Raptor is already in service with the USAF.
Perhaps you’re thinking of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, several of the partners in that project have been threatening to withdraw.
Richard.
Your first Meteor photo looks like an air-to-air shot, very nice!
Richard.
im sure there are many from vietnam or other places that were tested as well
I think we can assume that all of the American types at the Vietnamese air force museum in Hanoi ended up being looked over by the Russians:
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Museums/VietnameseAirForce/American/index.html
Richard.
The USSR was gifted a tandem-rotor Vertol 44, the civilian version of the
H-21 helicopter, by President Eisenhower in the late 50s.It’s on display at a museum…it recently was shown here in the forum in a discussion of the Yak-24 helicopter (they’re parked together at the museum).
Here’s a photo of the Yak-24 “Horse”, with the Vertol 44 behind it:
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Museums/Monino/Highlights/index.html#Yak24Horse
I did supply a photo of this Vertol 44 for a book recently, can’t remember who the author was and I don’t think I’ve been paid yet! :diablo:
Richard.
Thanks for the kind words, guys! 🙂
Richard.
My father flew with the RNZAF Sunderlands quite a bit up to Fiji.
The Sunderland at Hendon looks great, here are a few outside/inside photos from a review I put up a few months ago:
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Museums/Hendon/BritishWw2/index.html#SunderlandFromAbove
Richard.
James,
Love the Connie and the F-111!
Richard.