Personally, I found sidebays to be a a little long for R-73-like missile, and little short for anything else; extend it by a mere 15-20 cm and I believe a R-77 will fit in there.

You need clearance though and shaping of edge may be a factor.

you are right. If you take into account everything, cost is from 2009 to 2013 14596 €. Note it is on a disminishing curve.

https://www.ccomptes.fr/Publications/Publications/Le-maintien-en-condition-operationnelle-des-materiels-militaires-des-efforts-a-poursuivre

(click firt pd link)

Thanks. There is no directly comparable figure for Typhoon. The total Operational Support Phase budget is holding at £13.1bn, which includes everything (support-wise, not manufacture and development) for operational life-time. Now I know they’d flown 100,000 hours in Jan 2011 with a very limited quantity of aircraft in the early days. So I imagine the following 8 years will see twice as many hours, with another 24 years service from 2011 to 2035. And of course factoring in inflation and reduced value of money, the current CPH is probably near the same as the Rafale.

This is probably optimistic.:D

http://www.armedforces.co.uk/raf/listings/l0028.html

I guess when you factor in reliability, and the relatively few losses, the Typhoon works out pretty cheap. RAF has had zero aircraft losses. If you were to add five $150m aircraft to flying hour costs over 100,000 hours, that would add $7,500 (plus payments to widows/families, plus retraining), which is not negligible.

https://www.eurofighter.com/news-and-events/2015/07/eurofighter-typhoon-delivers-300000-reliable-flying-hours

Press Release | Jul 17, 2015

438 aircraft in service / 7 customers/ 22 operating units
Backbone of five European Air Forces / Combat proven

Eurofighter Typhoon has now achieved more than 300,000 flying hours since the entry-into-service of its worldwide fleet. Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH confirmed the milestone today adding that, with 571* aircraft ordered and 438 delivered, the programme has “delivered unprecedented levels of reliability”.

*599 with Kuwait deal.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-news/2015/09/11/kuwait-purchase-28-typhoons/72059404/

Kuwait To Purchase 28 Typhoons
By Andrew Chuter 11:30 a.m. EDT September 11, 2015

What does 9/11 have to do with this? Terror and bloody retaliation have always been part of a certain kind of Middle-east autocrats. Assad is one of them and remain famous by his cautious application of the Ahma rule.
Putin foreign affair team had just changed their vocabulary around Assad standing in power. There is a convergence here. It is then legitimate to put the question in the debate.

Daesh didn’t attempt such action before despite, as it seems to be today, the lack of rigorous security in Egyptian airports, a country where they are present since long now.

So please, leave the tin hat aside and try to discuss the matter with plain logics.

Seriously dude. In case you haven’t heard, British intelligence has picked up chatter amongst ISIS boasting about the incident. So there is no conspiracy.

What is that hole in Typhoon vertical tail for

Engine bleed air heat exchanger.

Let’s go to a something completely different….F-35 dogfighting capabilities.

What if the F-35 Lightning II air superiority fighter couldn’t dogfight ( as the test pilot claims )….could it still out come as a winner 100/100 in an aerial combat ?

I mean does stealth and all systems combined make the difference ?

There are several air combat cases where even an outdated i-153 biplane downed a P-39 Airacobra.

Similarly wingloaded F-104E was a quite a hod rod and able to zoom and do many other things.

Is the future of aircombat all about better awareness ?

In Vietnam the F-4 pilots still needed to go to guns, but are those days long gone ?

The way I see it. Even if it was a bit inferior to an F-16 in agility and EODAS and HOBS/LOAL didn’t works and BVR misisles didn’t work, dog-fighting is largely pilot driven and the F-35 handles well enough for a good pilot to get kills anyway. But we’ve made some seriously pessimistic assumptions there.

No F-16 has a PESA.

Well there you go then. USAF F-16s must still be on M-Scan too.

All operators have experienced very high costs. Who said anything about the 2008 crash?

Where?

Word of advice, don’t post that Janes graphic if you want to be taken seriously. It has been completely debunked more than once.

A bit like posts about the Eurofighter costing a ridiculous amount then isn’t it.

As for wars… staying out hasn’t helped Germany much has it? If you are going to make an assertion it has to be at least minimally compatible with reality.

Helped France out though.

Why are people still talking about “tomorrow” with the Typhoon? Really?

It first flew in 1994 (20+ years ago) and it entered service in 2003 (12 years ago).

We are still talking about future capabilities that are years from operational service?

Besides, three of the above are weapons that could be integrated onto an F-15 or F-16 if there were a desire to do so.

Are you even serious? How long was the F-15 in service before AESA was added? How long was the F-14 in service before bombs were added? Heck why bother with F-16s when you can just us the Tornado forever. These are some really ridiculous points.

Typhoon lacks an AESA due to lack of money. Money wouldn’t have been a problem is billions and billions hadn’t been spent developing a fighter nobody could afford to keep current.

The lack of money is because of the Iraq War and 2008.

I’ll put this super simply for you. The Iraq War and 2008 gutted NATO force structure in general. That’s why the US is only getting 3 of 32 planned Zumwalt Class destroyers and cancelled all 19 CG(X), as well as F-22 production, SM-3 Blk IIB, as well as an aircraft carrier. So I think I’ve just detailed about $100+bn-worth of gutting right there without even getting serious.

As for the UK:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War#U.K._war_costs

As of 2013, summations for the UK war in Afghanistan came to £37bn ($56.46 billion) .

So you can double that for Iraq and add 2008 crash (several hundred billion)…. BUT oh no, you think Typhoon has gutted European force structure.:rolleyes: We could have ran a 1000-strong force of Typhoons for a century with GaN AESA and uprated EJ230s plus every munition under the sun qualified for half the amount we wasted in war and 2008 bailout.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/163850bn-official-cost-of-the-bank-bailout-1833830.html

Government support for Britain’s banks has reached a staggering £850bn

Heck, scratch the above, we could have ran a 1,000 strong fleet of Klingon Warbirds for a century, if we didn’t have to pay that.

Look at where the force structures were before Typhoon, and where they are today.

They are still producing Typhoons with obsolete mechanically scanned radars and only a minimal multi-role capability.

Lets be honest, Typhoon has been disastrous for Europe. If they had simply purchased F-16 Block 60s or similar way back in 2000 they would be far more capable today.

Not in the air-to-air role. And even the M-Scan Captor beats the PESA on USAF F-16s.

If you’re taking Germany as an example of high costs, don’t be deceived, they just don’t believe in running an AF properly. All their aircraft have poor availability because they don’t spend enough. As for Spain, the Eurofighter didn’t cause the 2008 crash.

Costs are reasonable given the level of fighter it is.

As for AESA, we basically just haven’t been arsed. The technology to do it has been around for over a decade or more, demonstrators existed in 2000. It’s financial lethargy nothing to do with Eurofighter and everything to do with things like:

a) Dumbass wars that another NATO country drags you into, which cost a shed-load and soak up money that would otherwise be spent on developing useful capabilities, rather than fighting tea-cosy wearers; and

b) Idiot bankers who have zero understanding of risk.

If you look at countries that didn’t get involved in a), they had more money to spend.

As for tomorrow, I think it’s quite positive. Captor-E + Meteor + Storm Shadow + Brimstone. No F-16 Block 60 will be a patch on that.