Waiting that long would be taken by everyone as acceptance of the fait accompli. Our closest allies would have refused to have anything to do with such an undertaking, & told us in private we were crazy. They’d have been very angry. Instead of the help we got in 1982 (including from the French), we’d have got obstruction.
And what would we have done with those cruise missiles? Shot up the place – but to what purpose? SSNs can launch SLCMs, but not an invasion.
Waiting 13 years is hardly as bad as waiting 270 years to make a claim/reclaim and you’d be surprised at the demoralising effect of getting a cruise missile through the roof of parliament.
4,000km was the combat design goal. The public sources are not going to give us true performance potential.
With a 5.2 pressure ratio, it’s only going that far in ferry range. Combat radius is 1,240km.
Supposedly this is the configuration. Fat chance of carrying that 4,000 miles.
It seems the Russians may have already paid the price for Putin’s entry in the Syrian conflict with the recent airliner crash in Egypt, seems too much of a coincidence to me. If that does turn out to be true, how soon before we see Tu-95s carpet bombing ISIS territory and Spetznaz mopping up the rest?
Taking the bait, what system do ISIS have that can hit a plane at 11,000m altitude? If they had such a capability, all coalition and Russian planes would be targetable during routine sorties, except maybe F-22s.
Both F-15 vs F-22 and F-16 vs F-35 top speed comparison depends on the “combat load”. With 4 AIM-120s, F-15C>>F-22 > F-16C>>F-35; if we assume F-22 and F-35 will reach their top speed with 4 AAMs and take F-15/16 data from flight manuals. F-16’s may need EFTs to match F-35’s fuel, but F-15C is still faster than F-22 irrelevant of fuel load.
We don’t really know what an F-22’s top speed actually is but it’s kind of irrelevant, because the F-22 will kick the F-15C’s butt up to Mach 2 all day long, and in reality that’s what matters.
The UK could always have returned later (post-1995) with cruise missiles to do the job if need be. Sooner or later the job would have got done, Thatcher wasn’t really the kind of person to give up.
Several good reasons..
1. the Pk of your BVR missiles is anyone’s guess
2. in a jammed environment, it might get even much lower
3. against a RCS-reduced opponent, you might not be even able to lock on at BVR ranges and need to go WVR
4. ID is still a problem, normally you have to get much closer than the nominal range of your BVR weapons
5. with the F-35, you only have four internal missiles.. don’t be surprised to have them depleted on a single (reasonably advanced) target
6. once close-in, you cannot disengage at will bcs you’re slow.. you need to fight even if the odds are not in your favor
Good luck jamming an IIR missile fired from far WVR or near BVR. ID via IRST. IIR missile cares not about stealth.
On the subject of SAMs are there any manpads existing or under development that can reach 33,000 feet or perhaps something that can be mounted onto the back of a Toyota pickup?
Starstreak II probably gets closest.
Kh-58UShKE(TP).
I was not talking about Sprey specifically…
What do we know about real Pk of today’s missiles vis-a-vis modern ECM? Next to nothing? Yep, that’s about right.Of course, other manufacturers don’t use real life kill statistics and causes.
I’m sure that isn’t the case, since both sides develop modern missiles and modern ECM. Pretty sure they try one against the other.
Other manufacturers are resource-limited and so they rely on spin and misrepresentation to make sales.
It’s good that you don’t. At least you can concentrate on the contents of the message, not the messenger himself.
Most of the die-hard F-35 fanboys here are able to dismiss a claim based purely on the author’s name.. regardless of how many times his claims have been proven right.. but at the same time want to sell us Code One, which is LM’s paid and owned propaganda leaflet, as a source of objective information.
Oh? How many times have Sprey’s claims been proven right? That radars are useless? That missiles are ineffective?
It’s actually studies of real life kill statistics and causes that have led to the F-35.
Except that if you read its development program its ferry range is lower than its original high altitude mission. The french government was always secretive of its capabilities.
Well I’m not going to get into conspiracy theories about ‘secret capabilities’, which for some reason seems to crop up time and time again with the French.
Not given that it would have had to carry some of the bombs externally. And the Vulcan’s combat range is longer than the Mirage IV’s stated ferry range.
Good idea, the US could supply the technology, experience, and money and France could do the catering.
Actually I’d let them do the marketing/spin/PR. They’re second to none in that field.
The problem with this quetion is that it requires a different Argentina. Think about why Galtieri launched the invasion. It wasn’t planned for years. It was an ad-hoc response to a domestic politico-economic crisis, an attempt by a failing military government with a slumping economy to hang on to power by gaining legitimacy via a quick, cheap (especially in lives) & popular victory. It was therefore necessary to go with what they had. Waiting until they were better prepared would have negated the purpose. The crisis would probably have caused the fall of the government.
There would have been no invasion if it had needed a long, expensive build-up. If it had been expected that there’d be serious fighting, there would have been no invasion. The financial cost ruled out a build-up, & the expectation of significant casualties ruled out an invasion against more than token opposition, or where any attempt to re-take the islands was expected. The cost in lives or money was politically unacceptable – & still is.
^This. They couldn’t afford to do that described in the first post.