Bio-diesel is almost as expensive to manufacture as Diesel, the part that makes it cheaper is the lower tax, 0.27p/litre as opposed to 0.4#p something. It also uses some very hazardous chemicals in its manufacture.
Bio-Diesel is usually made from Waste Vegetable Oil, well filtered from the chippy or Chinese!Diesel engines will run on Straight Vegetable Oil, but there is a problem with viscocity, its just too thick to feed the engine as-is, it needs to be heated before injection. It has been known to clog injectors and break injector pumps (Bosch pumps work well though), as well as increase coking in the cylinders-heads. Peanut, Palm, Rapeseed, Sunflower, Caster and Hemp oil have all been used in Compression Ignition engines with good results.
I would be very surprised to see any vegetable oil based fuel in Aviation use, other than for testing.The only difference between Avtur and Diesel is (so I’m told) Avtur lacks the lubrication additives needed in modern cars, I may be wrong.
Interesting information Bigglesworth, I don’t know the results of running diesel engines on bio-diesel but I do know that Avtur doesn’t possess the same lube additives as diesel.
On a road going diesel engine the injector pump has extremely fine tolerances and runs at very high pressure hence the necessity for lubricant in the fuel that passes through it.
Avtur doesn’t have to pass through such a pump, therefore has no lubricant in it, nor does heating oil – I have worked on a few vehicles that have come to grief through using the latter!!
I did read somewhere that the French had a problem with Avtur wearing out an injector pump on an adapted Peugeot diesel engine fitted to a Jodel, they also ran it on diesel fuel mixed 50/50 with used, filtered sump oil – I may be wrong tho…
Fossil fuels such as diesel, petrol, avgas and avtur will run out one day but there are alternatives.
Diesel and avtur are very close in the manufacturing process, as is domestic heating oil – therefore a diesel or turbine engine will run on any of these fuels.
There is a plant derived diesel fuel which comes from oil seed rape, this could be a possible future alternative for aero diesel engines.
Cooking oil is plant based and an automotive diesel engine will run on it, check it out in tesco’s – its a lot cheaper per litre than forecourt diesel, though you would need a pretty big basket to carry out 60 litres to your Golf turbo diesel!!
Methanol and alcohol are plant based (!), they are possible replacements for use in spark ignition engines, these fuels are used in racing in the UK, go to any DragRace meeting (Santa Pod, ex USAAF Podington), most cars will be running on these fuels or nitro-methanol, smells lovely!!
There will be ways around it as fuel technology increases, if not we’re all going to need some real big rubber bands!!! 🙂 🙂
Yes – on more than one occasion!!
He’s a very good friend of mine though, a top class pilot and one of my formation guys..
Well I definitely wasn’t the first to fly in the new year but I may have been the coldest:
Monewden, Suffolk to Earls Colne and return, outbound was into a 25 knot headwind, no surprise that the trip back took half the time. OAT was 3deg, open cockpit with wind chill made it bl**dy freezing. Coldest hour airborne in a long time brrrrr – but the viz was fabulous…!!
Eeekkk, I’d better not moan at him too much then…. or he might disappear off in a Stampe!
Or my B***DY Stearman – wouldn’t be the first time!!!!!
eheheheh we have the long exhaust, so our fuselage won’t be that oily 😉
Alex
Unfortunately the long exhaust wont stop the oil that gets slung out of every nook and cranny right at the front – which then gets blown back in the slipstream. Having been around radials for most of my flying life, the only one I’ve seen that doesn’t leak, doesn’t fly!!
Testament to the strength of the aeroplane – I have known quite a few crash and every pilot has walked away.. Pleased there were no injuries.
I absolutely love my Stearman, I’ve got hundreds of hours in it and others. It demands respect, especially on landing. I wouldn’t say its got a whole lot more power than a tiger – 220hp but it weighs 1500kg, so power to weight it isn’t far different.
Respect is too small a word sir..
I will endeavour to look for it, I’m sure I’ve got a copy of it somewhere..
The numerous Piper incidents are probably because there are numerous Pipers!!
The same types of engine, of course, are fitted to both Pipers and Cessnas…
Actually Steve we had taken off on 05 to stay in the circuit, the engine failed near the end of the crosswind leg, roughly overhead Quy roundabout, yes there were plenty of open fields, but there were two sets of high voltage power lines which were very difficult to see AND we knew that on calling a mayday that there would be some seriously large fire engines on the airfield, I had a compelling urge to land right near one, as it turned out they were on the scene in seconds all due credit to them, the whole incident from failure to stopping was a matter of seconds.. We thought we had enough height to make grass runway 28 but it didn’t quite work out like that.
You are right though, I wouldn’t have wanted the same experience on 23, I would’ve been ‘dropping in’ on tescos!!!
I don’t have a link to the report, I’ll have a look. I’ve seen it in print though.
Have had a few very minor experiences, stuck fuel indicator on a Stearman, stuck gear on an Aztec, rough running engine and icing on a para drop plane.
DB
DME,
Fortunately for me things turned out ok, the aircraft was repaired and returned to flying around East Anglia.
During the ensuing investigation it was found that the logs had been falsified and the engine had gone way past its 2000hr (+ extension) TBO limit.
A lesson well learnt……….
June 6th 1996, Cambridge Airport, Cessna 182.. No6 piston broke up in the climb at 600′, serious engine vibration then the engine stopped, immediate Mayday, not enough height to get into wind or to regain the runway, landing was downwind, across the airfield, aircraft stayed upright on its wheels but suffered serious damage, no injuries. AAIB report is available…….
That link doesn’t work – try this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dII?ViewItem&category=4729&item=3859287639&rd=1
If that doesn’t work, go to ebay homepage and type the item number (3859287639) in the search box……..
I’ll be there wx permitting. Blue and yellow Stearman being flown badly!! no need to comment DBW and DP…
Very difficult to speculate…. the 206 will hold approx seven people including the pilot, therefore, if the jumpers were going to go individually, this unfortunate chap could have been first or second out of the door.
Imagine the aircraft on its run in at 10000′, the pilot slowing the aircraft to around 75/80kts in preparation for the jump, the jump master calls for the cut, the pilot reduces power and enters a gentle descent to maintain airspeed, the first (or second) chap makes for the door or is on the step, just as he’s about to go his chute comes open and immediately wraps itself around the tail and pulls the skydiver into trail behind the aircraft, at such a slow speed the increased drag immediately stalls the aircraft and down it goes, all that is left is for the remaining occupants to make good their escape.
The second possible senario is – at the cut, the jumpers start climbing out to hold on (floaters), at this point one guy’s chute pops open and wraps itself around the tail, the story is then the same.
I agree with Janie that skydivers fall straight down rather than back then down, remember that they are travelling at the same speed as the aircraft when they leave it and their forward speed diminishes as they fall, I also agree that the weight and balance does change dramatically in fact I think many PPL’s should experience it for themselves, also if the door is on one side of the aircraft then you get a very serious weight shift one way, many jump pilots fly with a assymmetric fuel load to help (I do!!), as the skydivers leave the aircraft you have full forward trim, full forward elevator and full right hand aileron!! makes for an interesting recovery once they have jumped and all of a sudden there is no weight!
However I disgree that the aircraft could be so nose high that the jumper ‘fell onto’ the tailplane, it would have to be near vertical and at such a low climb airspeed it would be impossible to achieve such an attitude, the aircraft would stall out long before.
MMitch is right, floaters hanging on outside do create interesting flight characteristics until they jump off their perches!!
The key to this unfortunate incident is the fact that the chute got wrapped around the tail, therefore it must have been open in or near the door.
There have been plenty of nude jumps even nude weddings in free fall…….
Sorry for the waffle…
Rgds
Current BPA pilot